#216 – The Real World

28 02 2011

While it may not admit it in as many words, the only type of experience that the bogan has respect for is experience at being a bogan. For, you see, being a bogan allows a degree of insight into things that is simply unattainable through any other means. While bogan-reviled intellectuals seek (and often succeed) to understand things via logical methods, this currency is of no value to the bogan. This is because the bogan itself is an elaborate tangle of hypocrisy and half-truth, and any bogan worldview tends to project that condition outwards. This, to the bogan, is The Real World.

No Real World can be real without reality, and the bogan derives its quotient of reality from the television, where it observes other bogans bickering amongst themselves for cash prizes in highly contrived and edited conditions. It then turns to A Current Affair, where it observes bogans complaining to journalists in highly contrived and edited conditions. At this point, the bogan’s broad river of knowledge breaches its banks, and it is right ready to dispense… dispense knowledge about how its bank breaches its rights.

Indeed, in order to acquire knowledge of The Real World, it appears the bogan merely has to indulge every impulse that is induced in itself, and subsequently locate escapegoats. Once again, A Current Affair plays an important role, explaining allergies, ADHD, clashing with reporters, the Qu’ran, freedom of speech, and the misuse of their taxpayer dollars. All in all, the bogan’s Real World is constructed as a reason for the bogan to not have to modestly apply itself to any long term pathway of self-betterment.

But it’s not enough for just the bogan itself to comprehend The Real World, for the bogan also refuses to be led by someone who it cannot witness being Real. As a result, camera crews are routinely summoned to capture footage of politicians doing Real things that they would never Really do, such as shear sheep, dig holes at construction sites, or cradle babies they have no affiliation with. Thanks to the bogan’s energy-rich, nutrient-poor consumption of the world around it, Real action is deemed to move the bogan further forward than Real policy.

It is important to understand the other impacts of the bogan’s endless search for the Real in this world. Real flavour comes from highly processed foods, and Real entertainment occurs in either tandem with wearing 3D googles in front of the maxtreme plasma screen, or at Movieworld, which is the second most Real World after Reality relevision. It’s possible that the pinnacle of Reality was achieved in August 2007, when a Reality television program called “The Real World: Sydney” saw 8 Americans relocated to a 1,900 square metre house in Darling Harbour… to work for Contiki Tours. Jim Beam has also been of great assistance to the bogan via its “Real Bourbon” marketing campaign, which helps the bogan to distinguish Real Bourbon from the products of sneaky distilleries who keep putting iced tea or creek water in 700ml bottles, attempting to sell them to the bogan without telling it what’s Really in there.


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28 02 2011
HappyFriend

Absolutely brilliant! How true!

28 02 2011
shakPower

I disagree. The bogan does ‘Real’ things everyday, hence living in and experiencing the ‘Real World’ . These include eating real food (Macdonalds for breakfast) , working real jobs (taking cash handouts is also a job, requires dedication to reproduce like mice and revisit centerlink every week) , indulging in real entertainment (Theme parks, burning gas, glassing cunts, the list goes on), and watching real programs to keep up to date with real events (like the cat stuck on tree special bulletin on channel 9 Gold Coast news)

To find out more about these ‘Real’ things, please read this blog entirely(every post). You will get enlightenment.

28 02 2011
ndrost

I like TBL but I can’t help thinking recent entries are more abstract and strained. I hope you guys end this thing with the dignity it deserves rather than forcing the point past its use by date.

Fair spray. Check out our new weekly column on http://www.macrobusiness.com.au, where we have a new paddock of stuff to carry on about. For the sake of trivia, a number of our recent entries were written about 10 months ago, and were held off the blog because they were slated to (and did) appear in our book. Today’s entry was only finished last week, though, so we can’t make that excuse in this case. TBL

2 03 2011
Danny Boy

I’m afraid I have to agree with you there ndrost.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Not to mention real sex via The Stranger or real motorbikes courtesy of Messers Harley and Davidson. Real crime via Underkelly and on it rolls.

28 02 2011
Pandabater

Indeed Bogans like more things than you can poke a Zumba Fitness Stick at. The consumption avalanche depends on it.

28 02 2011
betterthantheoriginalwally

I thought this was going to be about a crap TV show but it was more a subtle stab at the bogan mindset. My bogan Dad used to tell me all the time – “just wait until you get into the Real World!” I always thought that if I did things different to him, I might avoid bankruptcy, multiple divorces and a dead-end job. As it turns out, things are going fairly well for me in the “Real World.”

28 02 2011
Ariel Riveros

obviously you haven’t waited long enough!

28 02 2011
barkeep @ ye olde glassing barn

Yeah it is funny how the real world just seems to screw the bogan over constantly isn’t it?
But it does give them some nice excuses to justify their behavior when their screwing over / glassing other bogans in the name of upholding just how “real” that particular bogan is.
Also they get to buy some shiny things along the path of life while racking up debt that they end up forfeiting payments on because they live in the real world.

28 02 2011
Clairebbbear

Love it!

I can add another one – Real Taxpayers. I know a mega right-wing bogan who believes that anybody employed by the government (excluding police and the military but including teachers and nurses) or anyone employed in intellectual pursuits he disagrees with is somehow not a Real Taxpayer.

You know, because all us socialists and latte lefty types somehow pay different taxes to everybody else and don’t properly earn the salaries we get in the way tradies and small business owners do.

28 02 2011
barkeep @ ye olde glassing barn

Face it these “Latte sippers” get their money through means that do not fit into the “real world”. There is no room in the “real world” for edumacation anyway, as a little time spent in said “real world” teaches young people all they need to know;
How to be a consumer,
How to fill out / get someone else to fill out credit card applications and loan applications (although conveniently these can be done over the phone in a few minutes these days, hmmm wonder why companies introduced that to help possible illiterate & impatient people who do not have the time to fill out those forms because they are busy earning a real living.

1 03 2011
Bag O'Turnips

Nah, all the Braidyns and Maddisyns at schools (both public and private) do indeed get exposure to The Rool World, both inside and outside the classroom, such as school sports carnivals sponsored by various fast food chains with banners prominently displayed around the pool and athletics field and various text books (of both the social and physical sciences) that have subtle (and none-too-subtle) product placements used as examples in their texts.

Those endorsements, dear friends, will set them up for their future success as good little bogan units of consumption 21st century citizens.

28 02 2011
Will S

Perfect! Been looking forward to one on ‘the real world’.

28 02 2011
Tone

TBH, I think i’d prefer iced tea or creek water to Real Bourbon. I suspect that if one were ever unfortunate enough to take a swig of Satan’s own bong water, it would taste an awful lot like Real Bourbon.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Yeh, I’ve only had bourbon a couple of times by mistake, when drunk and even then it is excerable.

28 02 2011
Lucky Star

I don’t mind a bourbon when it’s a good one. I wouldn’t call “Real Bourbon” by Jim Beam a good one. Real horse p!ss more like.

1 03 2011
Bag O'Turnips

I’m not so partial to Bourbon; a fine Highland Single Malt Scotch Whisky neat or on the rocks is more to my taste, preferably away from the Big Liquor brands.

1 03 2011
James Hunter

BOT,Jim Beam black lable is not too shaby

1 03 2011
Bag O'Turnips

Like Jim Beam Rye, jack Daniel’s, Maker’s Mark or Wild Turkey 101, it’s a clarsier way of getting p¡ssed, but with full bogan cred.

Admittedly, the aforementioned Deep South whiskeys aren’t too bad, but generally I find Bourbon a tad sweet and as for all the bottom shelf versions so beloved by the bogan, they’re all homogenised versions of cat’s p¡ss rotgut, rendered worse still when adulterated with cola.

1 03 2011
James Hunter

BOT,
Have you noticed how no matter what the topic of the post that the comments always end up in being either music or music ? This must tell us something ?

1 03 2011
Bag O'Turnips

Yes, true that.

And no, I don’t have any Cold Chisel or any of their alumni in my music collection, or even as pirated MP3s.

Mind you, I do have the entire Bon Scott-era AC/DC collection of albums, but after Back In Black, I gave up on them. That takes rool bogan dedication.

28 02 2011
barkeep @ ye olde glassing barn

Hence the reason why they have to constantly drink that cat piss with a mixer. Apparently bourbon (which is mostly sugar anyway) is not sweet enough on it’s own to rot the bogan’s teeth.
Amazed at how tough they think they are drinking a “mixer” with kids soft drink in it.

28 02 2011
Mick

Bogans known to myself seem to bang on about the ‘rool world’ the most when they have a beer in their hands.

Is this world the bogue inhabits alcohol induced?

28 02 2011
Nelson Esq

Mick, This ‘rool world’ you speak about, is where they also got their ‘street smarts’? i.e their glassing carnts skill set?

28 02 2011
Mick

No, ‘street smarts’ come from the ‘school of hard knocks’.

It’s obvious you don’t live in the ‘rool world’.

*rolls eyes ferociously*

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

You need to graduate from the school of hard knock, to learn street smarts to enable you to live in the Rool world.

Or else you graduate from Uni, to learn useless shite to enable you to be ignorant of the rool world coz ya wouldn’t know the rool world if it punched ya in the snout.

1 03 2011
Tombarina

You forgot an address on Struggle Street. Home of Mr & Mrs Oz. E. Battler.

A rather bright individual of my acquaintance is constantly reminded that his significant personal and professional accomplishments aren’t worth squat because he apparently “had it easy”.

According to his denigrators, these “silver spoon” attributes include having parents who worked their guts out to put their kids through the local private Catholic school, made them get part-time jobs to purchase themselves boring yet roadworthy vehicles, and lived in a well-maintained property that they gradually renovated and extended over a period of about 30yrs.

Translated into Rool World Boganese, this means he was a private school pansy with a car. Then (quelle horreur!) ALL THE KIDS WENT TO UNI! AND GOT DEGREES! AND WELL-PAYING CAREERS THAT DIDN’T INVOLVE MINING!

Ergo, no visa will ever be granted to my acquaintance to visit the mythical realm known as The Rool World because he’s clearly ‘up himself’, an impression reinforced by the fact that he ensures his own kids get a good education, work part-time, and generally aren’t vile, self-centred, destructive ar$eholes.

1 03 2011
Mick

Ah, Struggle Street. I believe it was Alan Jones, bogan-whisperer extrodinaire(another Toowoomba boy. Says it all really), who thrashed this phrase to within an inch of its life. Made him appear to be one of the boys.

The same Alan Jones who, with his mate Lawsy, thought that they could confuse the good folk of Struggle Street via the offensive cash for comments turnout and make a dollar or two for themselves along the way.

Those two should be held up high as examples of hypocritical fuckwits.

1 03 2011
Tombarina

Mick, there’s already soooooo little to like about T’ba. And then you have to remind me of AJ – without doubt, one of the most overrated, pretentious cocks (insert deity here) ever shovelled guts into.

But the bogan wasn’t fooled by those meddling interlekchuwals at the ABA, trying to confuse them over AJ & JL.

They knew, for a certain scientific FACT, that it was a meedja beatup/conspiracy by poofy latte sippers who were just trying to silence the Great Men.

An’ so what if Jonesy & Lawsy were makin’ an honest dollar (or million) out of talking up a great Orstrayan company that (until the towelheads took over naming rights) brought us the Telstra Dome – venue for the Global Warming wrestling spectacular, KISS, U2, footy, cricket and boxing. Fair dinkum – get with the #(^&in’ Rool World…..

2 03 2011
Mick

Word.

Backed In the 90’s I lived in Innisfail. 4KZ was our local and had Laws all over it. The bogues hung on every word. Someone had to have an opinion for all of them to follow blindly.

Chap i knew wanted to buy a new Toyata Boring with the Bland package to brighten it up a bit. I suggested an European Exciting with optional Street Cred as a preferable alternative. This bloke wouldn’t have it. Toyota was his choice. I told him compared to the euro they’re rubbish.

His response? “Lawsy thinks they’re pretty good”. No matter how many times I told him that JL was paid to say that, and made a rather good living out of it, he wouldn’t believe. Nope, Laws spoke from the heart. Spoke to them.

Those bogans believed every word he said about the rool world and struggle street and hard knocks. I nearly got glassed for suggesting that JL didn’t live in the world that they all did. I suppose that’s what happens when you challenge the wisdom and honesty of a self-appointed deity.

22 12 2011
Billy Bob Buckshee

Not to mention he is a fuckin poofta1 turd burglar extrordinair!!!

1 03 2011
Bag O'Turnips

Whatever you do, just don’t make subtle innuendoes re Parrot’s, shall we say, um, extracurricular activities that made Jonestown deliciously controversial.

The thought of The Voice Of Rool Straya tackling for the other team (and we ain’t talkin’ ’bout the All Blacks!) would send the bogan into paroxysms of defensive rage!

Say it isn’t so!

28 02 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

A bogan once told me that he’d lived his whole life going to the school of hard knocks.

My response: “Really? Cause I’d swear that I graduated as dux of there after all the beatings I took in school.”

Since I was in one of Cronulla’s more notorious glassin’ barns, as soon as I said this I made my way to the exit before he could digest my point.

1 03 2011
lolplates

Northies or Fusions Brah!!! mayhaps?

1 03 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

You’d be right with the second one.

28 02 2011
hindustan

the ‘rool world’ is indeed real, in the bogan’s mind, at least. it’s a bogan construct where, ironically, the bogan acquired the skillsets required to talk-down to people who don’t understand their trade.

has anyone noticed that? for all the whining about “do you think just cos you’ve been to uni and you know fancy words you’re smarter than me?”, bogans do the EXACT same, sometimes worse, than your garden-variety know-nothing know-it-all liberal arts student. i had a tradie trying to explain how a phone line gets connected in an apartment building, and he JUST couldn’t stop using jargon words because he KNEW i had no idea what they were. “i’ll phase you in through the riser room” or “the mdf needs to synced”, despite being told i don’t understand. it’s intellectual snobbery of the stott’s college variety…

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Hindu, worst is anyone in IT. If you don’t know what the f*CK they mean when they want to interface the connectivity of your gigabytes with their interweb they look at you like an alien and then if you ask them to pretend I have no idea and make it simple they will shoot you a withering gaze and leave the room. No wonder they got beaten up at school.

24 04 2011
Phil S

It was bad when copper ruled – now we’re “going optical” there’s a whole new techno-lingo to be mastered. I do believe us IT people were (maybe) the first to “verbify” nouns – for ex., “BNC it” – shorthand for “terminate with a BNC connector”, and suchlike.

Just “doing our bit” to destroy traditional English!

28 02 2011
p'bee

love it.

28 02 2011
p'bee

i think one of the most central aspects of the bogan’s real world is the complete and utter lack of education in it – teachers, academics, uni students, none of us live in the real world. big words and degrees are the antithesis of the real world.

28 02 2011
Mick

Smarts and educated are two entirely different things. I’m considered to be the nerd at work. I know stuff. I get asked a lot of things. Things that the 4-year-old next door knows.

For the bogue, this knowledge is because I’ve ‘been around and done shit’, not because I come from a family of schoolteachers. No amount of school and coaching could ever have taught me the stuff I know. Nope, the rool world starts the day you burn your school uniform.

28 02 2011
Boneidle

I’ve been around and done stuff and have some knowledge. I even had to learn to speak propa grammar English because I worked in a lot of places with non bogue speak people.
The average Bogue assumes I was born overseas and not next door to Dame Edna from Mooney Ponds.

1 03 2011
Bag O'Turnips

It has happened more than once whereby I’ve been asked whether or not I came from England because of the way I speak, both by people born overseas and Strayans. When I explain that I was in fact born and raised here—with an Italian migrant father at that—and hadn’t even been out of the country until I was fifteen, the latter group always seem mystified.

All because I actually speak English without a hard Australian accent, using correct grammar and enunciation, whilst not being entirely like Received Pronunciation (i.e. Queen’s English or BBC voice). Thus they seem to think I’m not quite fully Strayan.

Au contraire…I am in fact Australian, thank you very much 😛

28 02 2011
Jewels

Very true p’bee. I am a teacher and do not have a tribe of kids, ipsofacto I don’t live in the real world and don’t know anything.

28 02 2011
Lucky Star

I get the same thing Jewels. I’ve worked with kids, albeit on a voluntary basis, in the past. But apparently I don’t know anything about kids because I don’t have a mob of them of my own, so apparently I’m not living in the “real world” either.

28 02 2011
p'bee

i’m a phd student studying an environment-related topic – i think i’m as far removed from the bogan real world as it is possible to be.

28 02 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

I’m studying for a higher degree in a lesser social science.

I think that cancels out my bogan traits. Or I hope it does.

28 02 2011
barkeep @ ye olde glassing barn

Faarkin Hell!! you must live trying to conserve nature for all the Unicorns and pixies in La-La land.

28 02 2011
p'bee

well the unicorns and pixies are very lovely creatures. some of my best friends are unicorns and pixies.

1 03 2011
Mr Q

Well I want to know what the gov’nmint is doin’ to keep out all those damn pixies that are coming into Orstraya and taking all our bloody jobs. I heard that Joolia’s an’ that carnt Wayne Swan are gunna intraduce a big arse tax so every pixie in the country can get $50,000 a month and get to live in five star hotels, while honest Ozzie sprites have to live at the bottom of the garden. Bloody pixies.

And don’t get me started on them bloody unicorns, they just don’t assimilate. A normal bloody Ozzie horse doesn’t hide behind a fuckin’ horn, they should just ban horns, coz you can just tell them fuckin’ unicorns are dying to gore the crap out of rool honest Ozzie battlers. Mark my words, if we keep lettin’ this mythical crap into the country, before we know it, we’ll live in a fuckin’ land of magic.

1 03 2011
p'bee

this is one of my favourite comments anyone has ever made here.

1 03 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

Mr Q, I want to have your babies.

I will even get a womb implanted into myself if that is necessary.

1 03 2011
Mick

bravo sir, bravo.

1 03 2011
Tombarina

*love*

28 02 2011
Will S

p’bee according to the bogan you and I are both beneficiaries of the vast climate change conspiracy designed to rip off rool australians

I haven’t seen any dollars out of it yet though 😦

28 02 2011
Chris

Hehehe. Same here.
Let me tell you: after working in the Latrobe Valley, Victoria, as a teacher, it doesn’t get any more real than trying to teach Shakespeare to 27 bogan tenth graders.

1 03 2011
GoldCoaster

“All that thee, thou Shite?” Ha if only bogans could understand that the first act of Romeo and Juliet has those (I’ve forgotten if they were Montague or Capulet partisans) talking about rape… and then all the killing in MacBeth, and the fact that Midsummer Night’s Dream is all about sex, they would no doubt enjoy it…nah, all that thee, thou shite, why couldn’t he speak proper?

1 03 2011
chris

One of the few benefits of a severe fundie christian upbringing is that you get a working knowledge of English as spoken at the time of the bard, thanks to a daily regimen of the KJV Bible. Makes high school Shakespeare a doddle, plus you get to laugh at all the best bits in The Life of Brian.

1 03 2011
GoldCoaster

Yes! I love the Life of Brian!

1 03 2011
GoldCoaster

“Blessed are the cheesemakers.”

28 02 2011
hindustan

100% true. until you have a little of children, ignore them, feed them carbonated drinks and processed food from a young age, allow the television to babysit them, get them all the latest gadgets and gizmos, you’ll never know what it is to have a child.

seriously, imagine they held THEMSELVES to the same lofty standards they expect of teachers/sitters/caretakers…

3 03 2011
HappyFriend

One of the best posts here!

28 02 2011
chris

Barnsey sums it up best for the bogue: “He’s a simple man with a heart of gold, in a complicated land… whooahhhahh…” oh crap I can’t keep that up. Can’t type, busy dry retching.

28 02 2011
Whistling Nixie

All that “salt o’ the erff” nonsense, with a whiff of self-righteousness about it.

As far as I’m concerned, the only Barnesy worth considering is of Monteal’s *Kevin* Barnes… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1fFMzu31p8

28 02 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

I love me some Chisel, but aren’t they more OSB?

Most of the NaBs I know don’t listen to any rock music other than Kings of Leon and Nickelback.

28 02 2011
chris

you might have a point, ash, but I’ve got family who are 24-carat NAB and love their chisel.

28 02 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

Maybe, but Chisel are still awesome.

And Barnsey is actually as far from bogan as you can get – unlike bogues who only engage in #2, he’s a practicing Buddhist (Although his wife is a #145, so maybe he’s just adding to the dream).

28 02 2011
chris

mmmkaaay… Was prolly more referring to the actual lyrics of that particular song which I have always thought was a pile of drivel. Dig deep enough into the boxes at chez chris and you’ll prolly find a bit of old chisel.

28 02 2011
Pandabater

Cold Chisel, YES!!!
Jimmy Barnes solo, NO!!!

28 02 2011
chris

Nailed it, Panda.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

You mean you don’t own

Jimmy Barnes – Soul Deep part 97, more Motown classics bent over the desk by Stralias premier screecher?

28 02 2011
Mick

Bloke i did my apprenticeship with was sconed by the vocal vandal’s vodka bottle during the Last Stand Tour.

It’s his proudest possession.

28 02 2011
chris

If you live in Adelaide and are (ahem) of a certain age, you will have some sort of Cold Chisel story like that. The six degrees of separation goes down to about 2 1/2 around these parts. That’s why I can’t hate ’em too much.

28 02 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

I pass no judgement since my proudest posessions are Taylor Hawkins’ drumstick from the Foo Fighters’ last Acer Arena show (3 May, 2008) and a Flipper setlist from their Auckland show in June 09 (partly because I got my drunk arse up on stage, screamed into the mike for a few minutes then dived back into the crowd without so much as a scratch – ah, how I miss alcohol), right behind my 2008 Sharks jersey signed by the entire team.

2 03 2011
Tone

Gotta hand it to Barnesy, he’s good at extracting bogan bucks from both kinds of bogan.

I’m surprised that they haven’t built a shrine to him at the Cenna. If you dunno where the Cenna is, then you’re not from Lizbef like Barnesy.

28 02 2011
chris

One well-used vinyl copy of Radio Songs that hasn’t seen the light of day for at least a decade. That’s it.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

I went to Jimmies Barnstorming tour, also playing were The Choirboys. Adelaide in the 80’s. It was a mulletathon. I threw out all my Barnsie and Chisel about when I hit puberty and discovered early Triple J (now known as Lame J).

28 02 2011
chris

Heard him interviewed a while back. He said that he used to “scream louder than Jeffery Dahmer’s house guests”.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

He can be quite funny and self depricating. And he sure hollered at that concert. No singing was heard that I remember, just screaming.

28 02 2011
Mick

This is why I doubt his bogan status.

When some journo called him the ‘vocal vandal’, he seemed to wear it with pride. I don’t think he took himself seriously enough to be a bogan.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

I can’t judge him on his current boganness but he is certainly a bogan whisperer.

28 02 2011
Mick

Indeed.

28 02 2011
p'bee

agreed simon. he is king bogan whisperer. in interviews he seems nice, but i still can’t stand any of his screeching.

28 02 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

More like it, Panda – although I can neither confirm or deny having a Working Class Man CD single in my collection.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

I bet you have a copy of Mossys Telephone Booth don’t ya Ash.

28 02 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

Nope, no Mossy singles. I have Matchbook and Six Strings.

28 02 2011
Mick

I toddled off to see Mossy on his first solo tour. There was about 50 of us there. Everyone else was down the road watching a chisel tribute band.

I hate Toowoomba.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

That’s the rool world for ya. Cover bands are heaps betterer n sh*t coz they play the hits. The real artists annoy the bogan by wanting to play their new songs n stuff or puttin a new slant on their hits. Play it like the radio ya farkin carnts.

28 02 2011
Vviv2

I think he’s a great guy with a very cool outlook on life….but he can’t sing to save himself!
If I want to hear quality screaming, I’ll stick to Pantera or Mushroomhead. 😀

28 02 2011
martin

I like a couple of his solo songs. Like “No second prize”, even though it’s kind of stupid because there’s always 2nd, 3rd prizes in life. Driving Wheels and Working Class Man I liked. That’s it. Other than those he can stfu.

28 02 2011
Pandabater

I’ve seen Chisel 5 or 6 times over the years & while you can understand Jimmy’s singing I don’t think I have deciphered a single word he says between songs. 🙂

1 03 2011
Bag O'Turnips

It could be worse…can’t wait to hear the English versions of the songs James Reyne drawls (apologies to D Gen’s “Five In A Row”).

28 02 2011
martin

Yes, that’s it. Often more like a stench.

That’s the way the bogan justifies it’s debt driven consumption and 6 figure salaries for being a lolly pop man in the moines.

28 02 2011
Lucky Star

Going by the bogans I know, it’s not the “real world” apparently if you haven’t had to scratch change together out of your cars ashtray or borrowed the kids birthday money for a packet of smokes. A hole in the muffler of your Dunnydore totally sounds like it’s had the motor worked too, apparently. (insert rolling eyes here)

28 02 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

I’ve been waiting for this one pretty much since I started posting here regularly.

It’s so true. Every bogan I know, whether I like them or not, loves to remind me that because I’m in uni and not working some shitty menial job and getting guvmint money to breed and all that, I don’t live in the rool world.

If that’s the real world, then I’ll stick to my imaginary one thank you very farkin’ much.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Ash,

I was thinking the other day that since you are maxxtreme can you put some Ford badges on your Commodore and report back the response. I reckon it would make a bogans head explode.

28 02 2011
Ash - Glasser of Carnts

Two problems, Simon:
– I can’t even afford to run my car right now (I’m taking public transport everywhere like a good little libtard commie pinko vego)
– If their heads exploded, it’d be all over my car.

Once I get some kind of employment again, it’ll be something to consider though.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Fair ‘nough. Once you join the real world ya kunt please do it.

28 02 2011
barkeep @ ye olde glassing barn

Public Transport????
Why you pinko!!!

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

The rool world is known to exist somewhere out past the last train station ya farkin salad eater.

28 02 2011
James Hunter

There is a guy running round town with a clasey looking badge on his Rodeo ute. “Powered by Caterpillar””500”

were it for real !

28 02 2011
Peter of Kensington

You sit behind your keyboard, strengthened by the support of your e-friends, and proudly condemn a fictional entity for its belief in the ‘real world’.

Once you remove the Bogan spin and prejudice, the premise of the ‘real world’ concept has merit. I think TBL’s joke is (unintentionally?) on you guys.

Excellent.

28 02 2011
p'bee

how does the ‘real world’ concept have merit? it is a term used simply to deride people with a different perspective and different (read: ‘inferior’) experiences. this real/unreal divide is absolute crap. who decides what fits on each side of this divide? why is university on one side but traineeships are on the other? why is there this purported divide between brains and brawn? it’s an incredibly lazy argument.

28 02 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Save your fingers p’bee.

28 02 2011
Peter of Kensington

“it is a term used simply to deride people with a different perspective and different (read: ‘inferior’) experiences.” Nope, that term would be ‘Bogan’.

You take the ‘real world’ too literally. There is not a fixed definition of the real world and there is no clear divide. It is a vague concept that recognises that experience is important, and not all experience is equal.

“Why is university on one side but traineeships are on the other?” They aren’t.

“why is there this purported divide between brains and brawn?” They are both important and you are a lesser person if you lack either.

28 02 2011
p'bee

except that the use of the term ‘real world’ is invariably to dismiss the ‘ivory tower’ or what have you.
of course there shouldn’t be a divide, but the fact that the term ‘real world’ exists shows there is one in the minds of some.

1 03 2011
GoldCoaster

You make an excellent point. Ultimately, we all occupy a physical space that no other object can occupy. The vocational/higher education dichotomy apparently used to exist, but vocational and TAFE sort of education can be used as pathways to university studies, and it’s not uncommon for people to have vocational and tertiary education.

I think some people don’t see the value of education, therefore they think those who pursue education are pursuing something valueless. To pursue something valueless means you are then wasting time and resources, therefore, leaching off the hard work of others.

It can go the other way too. The educated can look down on the vocationally-oriented person, thinking such person is somehow less evolved because he has to work in the heat all day and bust his/her back for little pay. The labourer is not well-read or necessarily well-spoken, and for this someone highly educated will adopt an elitist stance- not all, but some. It goes both ways.

Often, people who aren’t well educated just lacked the opportunities. They may be intelligent in many other ways, for example, my husband didn’t finish year 12, yet he has the most amazing capacity to learn anything to do with technology and apply it across many areas. He can also synthesise and apply written or spoken information at a complex level. My father went to year 10 only, because that’s what his family did back then, yet every spare moment he’s got, he’s reading about science, history, or the universe, and never tires of explaining some interesting fact, or of discovering something new. I have a degree myself yet am a firm believer in kids getting trades, if that’s what they want.

I suppose the “Real World” is how each individual categorises his or her life’s experiences: no one likes to feel like they’ve wasted their life, and there are as many experiences of life as there are people who ever lived.

You can get, however, people who genuinely are naive and may not have the abilities to cope in society, for instance, people who may have some sort of mental disability. Some people just have a different way of seeing things. Some are almost willfully ignorant. Some are elitist. The “Real World” is whatever you live in now.

1 03 2011
James Hunter

POK,
Are you just a social snob or an intellectual one as well? Like are you into multi tasking ?

1 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

JH, send in the Beagles?

1 03 2011
James Hunter

Simon,
The Beagles are great at smelling a rat but I am not so cruel as to have them go Pok huntinmg !! They may try to pork a pok and then I could be held as co-re for pokette support ?

1 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Smelling a rat, good one. True we don’t want any damaged Beagles, physically or mentally. Who knows what encountering a POK in it’s natural environment may lead to.

1 03 2011
Peter of Kensington

“Who knows what encountering a POK in it’s natural environment may lead to.”

By ‘natural environment’ do you mean the real world?

Actually I like that idea. TBL, you are looking for new ideas, how about you organise a TBL meet-up! Go on, give them a chance to take their e-crew into the real world. It would provide a lot of new material.

I am sure you could sell tickets, release some limited edition books or do something to make it commercially viable.

The real world awaits!

1 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Surely you live in the rool world Pete? You know the one out past the last train station.

1 03 2011
Pandabater

I thought we were living in a material world.

1 03 2011
Pandabater

*Material*

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Thanks Madonna.

28 02 2011
Jean Baudrillard

I think the ‘real world’ concept does have some merit – it somewhat reflects the philosophical idea of ‘hyperreality’ – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreality

1 03 2011
p'bee

now you’re definitely not living in the real world.

1 03 2011
barkeep @ ye olde glassing barn

Well TBL has done great work creating a fictional character that I happen to run into on a daily basis in the “roool world”.
The joke is on me as well as I truthfully could say I have engaged in 1 or 2 of the list. However there is a certain type of people out there in the “roool world” who display quite a few of the likes on this list. TBL have got it so horrifyingly close that you can almost predict how the people that you know fit these criteria are going to respond in certain situations.
I can laugh at myself when I acknowledge that I have done something that would be on the list, the problem is the “bogan” cannot and the mere pointing out that they may appear foolish in the eyes of someone else usually results in glassing

1 03 2011
Peter of Kensington

‘Well TBL has done great work creating a fictional character that I happen to run into on a daily basis in the “roool world”.’

No. TBL has simply created a sterotype that you project onto people in the real world.

2 03 2011
barkeep @ the Ye Olde Glassing Barn

“No. TBL has simply created a stereotype that you project onto people in the real world”

No. I knew these people existed TBL is like a glossary of their life, that I find accurate and amusing.

1 03 2011
martin

I think the bogan and the libtard both have a fair point on the “rool world”.

The bogan, a fictional entity? I wish!

28 02 2011
chris

DFTT

28 02 2011
spewy

All youse cunts know fug all bout the rool world. Ya carnt lern nuthin from books and internet and shit, ya gotta get out there and learn on the streets ya soft cunts.

1 03 2011
barkeep @ ye olde glassing barn

Faarkin Oaf!
u havent lived until youve been in emergency trying to explain to a nurse (who is tending to the large gash on the side of your face) why that caarnt had to be glassed and how, unfortunately during the act of glassing the other guy got a lucky one on with a broken bottle of (insert your choice of: Corona, TED’s or VB)

3 03 2011
HappyFriend

LOL!!!!

28 02 2011
Pandabater

Ooh philosophy, my favorite.
What is reality?
Is it what we see before our eyes,
or is what we are conditioned to expect?

28 02 2011
p'bee

i have a philosophy joke for you.

rene descartes walks into a bar. the barman asks, ‘would you like a beer’? descartes replies ‘i think not’ and disappears.

28 02 2011
Nelson Esq

Oh very good p’bee.

Now I have the old Monty Python philosphers song going around in my head

“…and Rene Decartes was a drunken fart,
‘I drink, therefore I am’…”

28 02 2011
p'bee

you say that like it’s a bad thing.

1 03 2011
TheBattlersPrince

One for all you Ladies and Bruces, via the University of Wooloomooloo…

1 03 2011
Bag O'Turnips

True about American beer…just don’t tell the NaB who goes and buys cartons of Miller or Budweiser (the “Grab Some Buds” ad campaign sounds like one should also get intoxicated on something else) on a regular basis.

Makes Foster’s, Emu Export, XXXX or West End taste exceptional…and that’s saying something.

1 03 2011
Nelson Esq

Monty Python is never bad…

2 03 2011
Benny Hill

How do you pronounce ‘Descartes’?

2 03 2011
Mick

Day-cart I think. Kinda like the night-cart that used to come around and pick up your poo, only different

2 03 2011
chris

Rhymes with “drunken fart”.

2 03 2011
Bag O'Turnips

A daily collection via the Day-cart will relieve your mental constipation and remove all your mind’s daysoil, but at least you only need to read the pages, not rip them out like you would if you were dealing with physical excrement for the nightsoil.

2 03 2011
Mick

Steady on there Turnips, I’m still getting my head around p’bee’s joke.

2 03 2011
Pandabater

Mick, just nod your head & say
“aahh, takes one to know one”
You’ll be the curio of the party.

2 03 2011
Mick

Awesome! What’s a curio?

Also, why do I feel like p’bee’s name should be in italics? It just seems right.

2 03 2011
Pandabater

Its an unusual artifact but that’s not important right now.

2 03 2011
Mick

lol sir, LOL.

2 03 2011
Pandabater

*Bows gracefully*

I just got the descartes joke when you mentioned it. Was he the one who said
“I think therefore I am”?

2 03 2011
Mick

Well, that’s what wikipedia told me.

2 03 2011
Pandabater

If I do not think, I am not.

2 03 2011
p'bee

you got it, pandabater.

2 03 2011
Pandabater

And it only took 2 days.
No brain damage there then.

*Goes in search of drugs*

28 02 2011
James Hunter

Pandabeater,
I like cleaver little sayings, like; “being perfect shows a serious lack of concideration for ones critics”

28 02 2011
Pandabater

Good one James, as an engineer you would appreciate design philosophy, the philosophy of the design determines the function of the object. The internet for example, in my opinion it can never be secure due to the way it was originally designed. It was set up as a file sharing network & so the philosophy is openness and access. Over the years the way it is used has changed & security has become probably the No.1 issue. But it cannot be secure if it is designed for sharing. As we have seen 20 years of patches & firewalls haven’t really succeeded in guaranteeing security.
Oh look I’ve waffled for 15 minutes, I’ll stop now.

28 02 2011
Vviv2

Perhaps the bogan draws the line between brains vs brawn at the precise stage that the argument starts to go over it’s head?
It seems to be a very changeable line….

28 02 2011
Chris

“At this point, the bogan’s broad river of knowledge breaches its banks, and it is right ready to dispense… dispense knowledge about how its bank breaches its rights.”
Sheer genius. Thanks.

1 03 2011
GoldCoaster

“…and any bogan worldview tends to project that condition outwards.” So true. The bogan is like a 2 year-old, assuming that everyone must think or does see everything the way they do, and heaven forbid if you have a different opinion…then you haven’t lived in the Real World.

1 03 2011
Benny Hill

Yawn

1 03 2011
GoldCoaster

Thanks.

2 03 2011
Benny Hill

That wasn’t aimed at you, I was just tired but thought I’d share it with everyone.

2 03 2011
GoldCoaster

Oh that’s good. Cheers!

1 03 2011
graeme

Oh good, a post with some new people, not the same old names (by-and-large, nothing wrong with that, but it got a bit insular)……..getting readable again. Oh fuck, I used too many commas, parentheses and bent subject/verb/object again. Best go put some Choirboys on…….

1 03 2011
GoldCoaster

Oh no!! Call the Grammar Gestapo.

1 03 2011
James Hunter

As I said just the other day ” To be perfect shows a lack of respect for ones critics.” (James Hunter 2011)

2 03 2011
Benny Hill

You said it earlier as well. You must be very proud.

1 03 2011
chris

Your elipses are all over the shop as well, but I’ll cut you a bit of slack. Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step 😀

1 03 2011
clairebbbear

I love you Chris…

2 03 2011
2 03 2011
Pandabater

Sub Bogan for stupid & it could of appeared here.

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Here is someone living in the Rool world. Man he is on some good sh*t.

Here are our top 10 Sheen quotes from the past month:

1. “I’m tired of pretending I’m not special. I’m tired of pretending I’m not a total bitchin’ rock star from Mars.”

2. “I’m on a drug. It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body.”

3. “Clearly I have defeated this earthworm with my words – imagine what I would have done with my fire breathing fists.” – referring to the show’s producer.

4. “I got magic and I got poetry at my fingertips.”

5. “People can’t figure me out, they can’t process me, I don’t expect them to. You can’t process me with the normal brain.”

6. “I violently hate Chaim Levine. He’s a stupid, stupid little man.”

7. “I’m an F-18 bro and I will destroy you in the air and deploy my ordnance to the ground.”

8. “I gracefully ignored this folly for 177 shows…I fire back once and this contaminated little maggot can’t handle my power and can’t handle the truth.”

9. “I feel more alive, I feel more focused, I feel more energetic. I’m on a quest to claim absolute victory on every front.”

10. “Everybody thinks I should be, like, begging for my job back. And I’m just going to forewarn them that it’s everybody else that’s going to be begging me for their job back.”

2 03 2011
Pandabater

Does he think he’s Joquain Pheonix?

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Certainly!

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Or possibly the evil lord Zenu.

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Nah, I’ve got it.

He thinks he’s Chuck Norris.

2 03 2011
Mick

He’s Caligula

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

He’s certifiable.

3 03 2011
GoldCoaster

Is this for real? Sounds like a parody, but something tells me it’s real…can one become a parody of oneself?! Argh, my brain is melting…off to get coffee.

2 03 2011
James Hunter

Simon,
Where/who are the “Little Fishes” ??

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

More info required, does not compute.

2 03 2011
James Hunter

Simon,
When Caligula used to take his bath ,i.e. in the large spar type bath he used to lay back with his back against the edge so people could feed him grapes and keep up the glass filling with wine.
So that sets the scene.
While this was all going on his “Little Fishes” which was his name for a goodly number of young boys were in and under the water nibbling and other things with his boy bits(ditrty old man bits)
Great life?

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Ah, I believe The Sheen prefers ladies of a certain experience to provide this service for him. It also appears he is happy to pay them for said services despite the fact he could probably get it for free from poor unfortunates hoping he will break them into the industry.

2 03 2011
Mick

The Sheen will only bang other winners.

He’s got standards.

3 03 2011
GoldCoaster

That was Tiberius, when he spent the last few years of his life in Isle of Capri. It’s in Suetonius, Lives of the Twelve Caesars.

2 03 2011
Mick

http://www.hottesttradie.com.au/Default.aspx

I’m in. The femmebogues will be all over me.

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

http://www.hottesttradie.com.au/TradieProfile.aspx?id=b975b173-4b7b-4437-84ff-77966170fae5

Here’s the one I voted for. I’m sure she unblocked my drain once.

2 03 2011
James Hunter

MICK, mAYBE HE SHOULD STSRT SCOUTING FOR LOSERS ?

2 03 2011
Mick

No need to shout JH, I’ve got eyes.

The Sheen has no need to scout for losers, he already has them as co-stars. Well, had them.

Alas Jon Cryer, where did it all go wrong?

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Mick, I just googled him and it appears the next best thing he has done is Hannah Montana. Hardly much height to fall from.

Now the fat kid………….

2 03 2011
Mick

How dare you overlook Pretty In Pink? One of the most un…nah, you’re right.

What about the fat kid? Only had 6 pizzas today? *insert canned laughter* It’s a pity the show is cancelled, I coulda got a writing gig there.

2 03 2011
p'bee

just call him up and offer him a starring role in your own all new show.

2 03 2011
Mick

Capital idea.

I’m gonna call it “The Fat Kid From That Other Show Does Stupid Things While Superficial adults Roll Their Eyes”.

Can’t miss! *two thumbs up*

2 03 2011
Immanuel Karnt

Can I write for it, Mick? I’ll work for free as long as Charlie’s contract states that he has to share his drugs.

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Get the fat kid from Hey Dad to play the parent. They can swap tales about being fat kids, that would be friggin hysterical.

2 03 2011
Mick

Cross-referencing fat kids.

Hardcore.

2 03 2011
p'bee

could you overfeed jerry o’connell and get him to play a grown up version of his fat kid in stand by me?

2 03 2011
Pandabater

And suddenly, a new contender appears:
He’s even got kak form

http://www.tvfanatic.com/2011/02/two-and-a-half-men-casting-rumor-john-stamos-to-replace-charlie/

2 03 2011
Mick

Oh wow, there’s a running theme here!

Is the fat kid the only one in the cast to avoid disgrace and/or tragedy in their personal lives?

2 03 2011
Pandabater

Looks like it Mick, but does
he need the “T” in his name?
Are there that many Angus Jonses?
I would never call myself
Jeremy “H” Fesbotomsque.
That’d be stupid.

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Genius p’bee, and Matt Damon could pork up again and join the fun. But he kind of has a career. I know Newman from Seinfeld.

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Genius p’bee, and Matt Damon could pork up again and join the fun. But he kind of has a career. I know Newman from Seinfeld.

2 03 2011
p'bee

you know newman?! you need to get him involved in this project.

3 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Ok, which of you clowns stole my comma.

3 03 2011
p'bee

well that’s a let down. he still needs to be involved, though.

3 03 2011
Mick

I sat behind George on an airplane but to be honest, I don’t want him for the project.

He’s loud and more than a little bit annoying.

3 03 2011
James Hunter

Mick,
Just get him to play at being grown up would be a good start

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

I’ve recounted this before but I saw one punchline (whilst waiting for TopGear to start) which involved the fat kid sitting on the couch eating lip gloss *insert canned hysterical shreiking laughter*.

Amoeba could write that show, no slur on your talents intended, you are above that Mick.

2 03 2011
Immanuel Karnt

I actually applied, but they rejected me because I asked if Charlie shared his drugs with the writers.

2 03 2011
James Hunter

Mick, Sorry,
Had the caps lock on

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

What was that? SPEAK UP WILL YA..

2 03 2011
Mick

Quarter past three

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Ok, see you there then.

2 03 2011
Mick

That’s odd.

I just got the urge to put on a Leslie Neilsen movie.

2 03 2011
Pandabater

Leave it to Beaver?

2 03 2011
Mick

Can’t stand Mounties.

2 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Nice Beaver.

2 03 2011
Mick

Thank you, I just had it stuffed.

Ah, the world just isn’t the same without an 80-year-old and his fart toy.

2 03 2011
Pandabater

But I love mountain women.

2 03 2011
martin

I think Jon Cryer’s effort is pretty impressive. A 28 year drought and he comes up a winner, financially speaking. Now that’s persistence.

As for the fat kid, he should be ok, he’ll bang a few hotties, get a drug addiction, if he doesn’t already have one, become close to broke, finally straighten up and give the rest of his cash to a financial manager to be handed out to him in relatively small installments and live out the rest of his days as a lower middle class person in some obtuse and unheard of suburb.

2 03 2011
Immanuel Karnt

Ash here, reporting under one of my many aliases (aliai?) because of a story I got told today by one of my lecturers.

Once upon a time, a Columbia philosophy professor was just leaving the Port Authority station in New York when he pulled out a ciggie and prepared to light it once he left the building, but a cop saw him.
“Sorry sir, you gotta put that away.”
“Ah, it’s OK officer, I haven’t lit it.”
“I’m sorry sir, but if I let you do that I have to let everyone.”
Our professor’s response, “Who do you think you are? Kant?”

Now, I could go into details explaining Kantian philosophy, but I figure that most of you are smart enough to either know it or google it cause I can’t be farked.
What I will point out is that he said it with the German pronunciation, which incidentally sounds exactly like what you call someone before you glass ’em.

2 03 2011
James Hunter

Pandabeater,
Either way he could end up with furballs.

2 03 2011
Pandabater

Yes,they are a hazard of the profession. 😉

2 03 2011
Vviv2

Not to mention the worms & hydatids from wild beaver….
Choose carefully young Mick, not every beaver can be trusted!

2 03 2011
Poider

Hey Mr. Costello
Lying, out of touch, protected, surrounded by sycophants sounds as much like all Australian Politicians as it does the AFL, Cricket Australia, ICC, and FFA.
What’s say you clean up your own backyard and hopefully the others will follow, as you all need a good dose of reality.

Sorry to bring this forum back to the rool world but……. The Age, comments on article by Costello V the AFL. Ongoing stoush!!!!

3 03 2011
chris

Although it pains me to agree with Costello on anything I’m kind of with him on this one.

4 03 2011
Pandabater

Like Dr Worm, I’m interested in things.
Our favourite dispenser of boganthink
The Herald Sun has a tag line under
the banner on their website that says’
“Stories Start Here”
Are they admitting that they make
everything up? Is it news or a fairytale?

4 03 2011
p'bee

good of them to acknowledge that what they print has no relation to the truth.

4 03 2011
Bag O'Turnips

A disclaimer of sorts, I suppose.

Not as if bogans are the type who would read the fine print, though…

4 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

I think it is safe to say that like Womens Day or Fox news if the actual news does not suit them they make sh*t up.

4 03 2011
James Hunter

Simon,
Wonder which particular iteration of the real world the liberal party were in yesterday ?(Well especially yesterday)
Maybe they lunched on red jellie beas and red soft drinks ?

4 03 2011
Simon - Glasser at Arms, Constant source of Randomness

Yeah, they are having a marvellous time as Julia blunders around the economy like a drunk hippo knocking stuff over and squarking incoherently.

Very exciting for the Liberals, not often the other party gives you so many free kicks.

9 03 2011
Mikey

“or cradle babies they have no affiliation with.”

As ever. Pure. West.

28 11 2011
Robbo

fucken brilliant mate

10 12 2012
dan-e

Er, is it intentional that the author has coined “3d googles” (goggles?) towards the end of this article? Or is this a sloppy attempt at #26?

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