#105 – Plus-Sized Models

15 03 2010

Despite its rigorous adherence to fad diets, once-a-month personal training sessions and watching The Biggest Loser, the bogan is getting fatter. This displeases the bogan, who, with only so much leeway in blaming its failing thyroid glands, needs to look for other remedies to this ongoing existential bogan angst. In short, the bogan does not look like Nicole Ritchie, and is confused. The ultimate conclusion any self-respecting bogan would reach is to adapt their reality to make themselves normal.

However, it is not the bogan who makes this leap, but OK! Magazine (so named as to reassure the bogan that it is, indeed, OK!). Upon facing flagging sales and interest in its ever-widening array of not-so-wide celebrities on the cover, it takes a different tack. ‘Real Women!’ screams the biannual cover, as the editors divine that the bogan wants to be told that it, and people like it, are just as beautiful as professional models. These new photographic targets are dubbed ‘plus size models’, and offer the fiercely anti-PC bogan an opportunity to selectively embrace a form of political correctness that legitimises their own slightly robust forms.

Roused from its inward-looking misery, the bogan can purchase the magazine in question, and gaze on these women who look ‘just like me’, and begin loudly proclaiming to all and sundry that they ‘Want to see REAL women!’ After the success of OK!, the bogan finds itself confronted with sundry images of Magda Szubanski, celebrating and revelling in her diminished level of fatness, yet remaining a ‘real woman’. Thus validated, the bogan can continue applying copious amounts of mayonnaise to its McDonalds salad. It’s a real woman.

Despite this pronouncement, the following week, Lara Bingle and Jennifer Hawkins are splashed across the covers of every major women’s mag in the country to massively increased sales. The bogan, as it peruses the collection in front of it, picking up Angelina Jolie, Jessica Alba (who is back to her pre baby weight) and an oddly emaciated Rebecca Twigley, continues to talk to its cohorts about how it wishes to see ‘real women’ on Magazines. It then forgets.

Two years later, OK! Magazine decides that it needs to ‘pay tribute to the real women’, and puts out a cover with a suburban housewife, discussing her battles with body image.

The male bogan is mortified.


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15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. By “plus size”, I hope you mean size 2-4. Anyone larger than that should be on a diet.

15 03 2010
James

Are you Fiona of Ethiopia now?

15 03 2010
Tubesteak

I agree, Fiona.

Fat people disgust me. Fat people that think they are normal and acceptable disgust me even more.

Brilliant post, TBL. Congratulations for articulating my thoughts and comments on many other posts about so-called ‘real women’.

15 03 2010
Frazer

That’s true, many pot belly bogans like to whale away at their skinnier, healthier counterparts, comments include “you’re skinny and should put on some weight” or “put some meat on your bones”. Also, many bogans tend to equate being overweight as being ‘huge’ (yes they are huge, I mean physically fit and strong).

15 03 2010
Linda

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1257850/Super-sized-mother-determined-worlds-fattest-woman-years.html

one for you to read Fiona.

you might cry though.

or vomit.. one or the other.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. No, I just look after myself. Or rather, I have people who are paid to look after me.

15 03 2010
James

As in a plastic surgeon?

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Ha! No, as in Chef(s)!

15 03 2010
Jo

good to see another post that explores the female bogue..it was getting a little bit sausage party-ish for a while there.

15 03 2010
Valo

Too many dicks on the dancefloor?

15 03 2010
Korubell

Can’t help wondering of the editor/s of TBL are keeping questionable company. Either that or going deep cover during weekends. How do they know about these people…. Bingle, Alba, Markson, et al?

16 03 2010
Lana

Its called the world wide web.. where one click away and you are better informed of everything.. 🙂

15 03 2010
Loftie

I wasn’t quite sure where this one was going when I began reading…

Thought we might have been talking about the ‘home girls’ section of the Picture magazine…

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. What’re they?

15 03 2010
James

The pictures Loftie takes of you from the trees in front of the ancestral manse.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Pictures of drawn curtains then?

15 03 2010
James

Whenever a curtain shifts, Loftie is there to snap a preemptive picture, I’m sure.

15 03 2010
Loftie

ahahah… James… you make me sound like the paparazzi… in which case i’d be up the tree in Bondi taking photos of Lara… 🙂

15 03 2010
James

No offense intended Loftie.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. None taken, I’m sure.

15 03 2010
Loftie

of course not…. i’ve got a thicker skin than that…

21 04 2014
durmese

James it is spelt offence ( no offence )

22 04 2014
James Hunter

Was some one taking a fence at something I said ?

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

there are no trees in Bondi. ha

16 03 2010
Lana

lmfao.. that comment was classic.. wow

15 03 2010
James Hunter

I love the size 12,14 1nd 16 models,
they look like real people
Who wants to bed an anorexic skeleton?
Yuk

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Lots of men James Hunter, lots of men.

15 03 2010
west_melb_anitbogan

Only men who like boyish non threatening stick figures.

Women with curves and breasts (not just nipples on their chest) are what most men want.

15 03 2010
me

where does that leave us muscular ones then? 10 years of swimming and i’ve got man shoulders and massive legs 😦

15 03 2010
fishmouse

According to the womens mags, ‘athletic’ women are role models and atrractive.

15 03 2010
James

To put that in context, according the the women’s mags old photos of Lara Bingle in the shower are important, and Schapelle Corby must be brought home now.

15 03 2010
James Hunter

My dear wife who shall remain nameless, was a competive swimmer and little athletics champ.
Result was she was size 14 with shoulders like dawn fraser and thighs and calf muscles to kill for.
So “ME”.
Men of taste will que for you.
Mwah

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

hmm, all well and good to say that. But they get around the unattractive skinny-no-boobs look by buying boobs. That tricks men’s brains into thinking she has feminine curves again.

15 03 2010
Benjamin

I think you might be wrong.

The prevalence of stick figures in modelling has been shown to be driven more by the women than the men… Have you noticed that it tends to be the twiggy women more often selling stuff to fembogues rather than the he-bogues?

I think most men prefer women with some features and shape. I had read an interesting study about this (which I can’t find now) but a quick google reveals some abstracts from studies that seem to support this.

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

and the prominence of gay male designers who like the skinny no hips or boobs boy look!

15 03 2010
Shirley M

That a size 12 model is ‘plus sized’ is insane to me.

A size 12 Bogue, however, will invariably always purchase size 10 clothing.

15 03 2010
Jo

Yes, I recall hearing and/or reading somewhere that the average size for australian women is 10-12, so I don’t think those sizes should then be considered “plus”. Although this was while ago, the sizes may have gone up, but in any case I think whatever the average size is should be considered “normal” and not “large”.

15 03 2010
fishmouse

I thought the average size for Australian women had been pushed up to a 14? Not that they’ve changed the way they stock clothing in stores at all.

15 03 2010
berihebi

Don’t they just increase the sizes so that the average is always about 12? So, what was 12 ten years ago is now a 6 or something.

15 03 2010
pb

the average size now is a 14-16. sizing was completely redone back in the 50s or 60s, so vintage sizes are completely different, but i don’t think modern sizes have been increased in the same way.

15 03 2010
Jo

It may very well have, I suppose Australia’s “obesity problem/expanding wasteline” should be taken into consideration, if the average size keeps getting larger I suppose it wouldn’t be a very good out look to consider unhealthy as “normal”

15 03 2010
Jodes

The average size of the Australian woman is actually 14-16, with bra size of 14C/D. Plus size in modelling starts at size 10…and in some places, size 8.

I heard recently that the reason that the ‘plus size’ starting at sizes 8-10 is because of the changing political climate within Europe. A few years ago, when the trend for ultra skinny started, bunches of teenage girls from the poorer eastern areas started coming over to the fashion capitals. They were pre-pubescent, so lacked the hips and tits of older models but still had the height required. Sample sizes changed to smaller sizes as a result.

This issue is being addressed in part by age constrictions on models being put in place – fewer models under the age of 16 – and in part by political pressure because everyone knows that trying to emulate a prepubescent girl’s figure as an adult is impossible and ultimately dangerous.

The issue for plus size women is to get clothing that is fashion forward, good quality, with more variety than is currently available. If we are the majority, that should be reflected in the floor space of major department stores, not as it is now, with our section being placed away from the main floors. The problem is that designers don’t want their image associated with fat women. The level of hatred towards us is unjustified yet socially acceptable to many because they don’t find us attractive.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Plus (pun intended), there’s only so much a designer can do with the mumu.

15 03 2010
freud's beard

Fiona, for some reason I have always pictured you as the Susannah from Trinny & Sussanah, not the Trinny figure you purport to have. I have no evidence to base this on, except for your posts, but that is the image that I get.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Who or what are Susannah and Trinny?????

15 03 2010
freud's beard

surely not that card Fi. They would be your idols – aristocrats helping the ‘lesser people’ to dress properly

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Well, they’re no aristocrats I’ve ever heard of. No one I know would bother helping the lesser people dress. How much can you achieve with a pair of “track suit” pants?

15 03 2010
brad

she did a picture of herself on her twitter profile(eyes obscured) dressed nice and comfy in a snuggie which was by all appearances quite full

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. How dare you misrepresent me like that – take it back, you know that’s not true!

15 03 2010
brad

I am but a mere messenger(nice blonde locks)

15 03 2010
fishmouse

::appluads::
We larger ladies, myself included, need to have a revolution!

BBW’s & BBW lovers, closted or out, unite!

15 03 2010
Jo

I feel sorry for over-weight women who don’t have large breasts, because apparantly you can only get away with being an over-weight female if you have huge tits to redeem yourself with

15 03 2010
Jodes

That’s because our value to society is determined by how attractive we are to men. The dirty little secret, however, is that men are attracted to plus size women, especially once they get past the early twenties. Im not talking about extremes, just the range of normal sizes and shapes that we all see within our friendship circles.

15 03 2010
brad

too true jodes the old adage of a way too a mans heart is through his stomach still rings true,a skinny body obsessed woman is a big turn-off as she has no interest in culinary delights.how could you enjoy the company of someone who thinks food is poison-very boring.

27 12 2010
Dardanelle

I’m 5’10, a size 8 and I adore food and “culinary delights”. If I’ve deciphered your mess of trite prose up there correctly, you’re assuming every slender lass out there is dieting and “body obsessed”. It’s a boring stereotype, Brad. Many of us are just born this way. Your statement is akin to someone stating “all overweight people eat fast food”. which is as much of a flawed generalisation as your claim about lighter-built females. Are you blind to your own double standards here…?
Try harder to argue a legitimate point next time.

27 12 2010
James Hunter

Darn those dardenelles,
Brad is probably jealous or envious or most likely, both.

15 03 2010
DP

It’s an average. So if the population is generally overweight, then the ‘average’ size indicates that the average woman is overweight. Normal in that case is by definition – overweight.

Skip the PC rhetoric and say ‘healthy’ sizes. Body Mass Index and such. Size 12 is at the borderline unless you’re an Amazon.

15 03 2010
Jade

Hear Hear

16 03 2010
Annette

As a short woman, I can be healthy and fit at a size 16 and athletic at a size 12, body mass index be DAMNED

16 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. And fat at both.

15 03 2010
Mezz

So at the rate we’re going, with an “obesity epidemic” – as described by medical professionals – setting in, Are we to just settle for 14 – 16 being classified as normal in 5 yrs time by those standards??

15 03 2010
vivisection

To steal material from Kath and Kim – is that a “Country Road Size 10”?

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

YES! Especially too small underwear. TBL = VPL. If they thought to buy the right size their hips wouldn’t have harsh dents in them from their Tween Pornstar G that no one would ever have known the size of anyway.

15 03 2010
Bogue

I’ll have to inform my partner that she is no longer a real person, as she is not fat. I’m not sure how this will affect my relationship, is it possible that we are fictitional representations of human beings? Am I unreal also?? Who created us??? Argh, I’m melting, I’m melting…

15 03 2010
nico

didn’t you know? anyone under a size ten is fair game to get told they’re not a real woman as real women have curves. thus, me and women such as your ladyfriend were made in a factory, using odds and ends they found.

15 03 2010
pb

and we’re anorexic, look like prepubescent twelve year old boys, are unnatural, mustn’t eat, aren’t allowed to make any comments on anything to do with body shape or health because being thin apparently voids your right to an opinion, etc. all things i’ve heard many times over.

15 03 2010
nico

and no one would ever like to sleep with a bag of bones and we need more junk in the trunk and we obviously throw everything up after we eat it.
i mean, i do all these things, don’t you? ugh.

15 03 2010
pb

of course, although throwing up after eating really tends to play havoc with your day.

17 05 2010
Othello Cat

Yes, despite seeing some ladybits downstairs and they make a bloody mess one a month, I am not a “real woman”.

And now “curvy” used to describe overweight women. If one is overweight and actually are curvy, great, they deserve the title but measurements are about roughly equal from breasts to waist to hips? I I fail to see how that is “curvy”.

Likewise, why don’t I deserve to be called curvy? My waist is 23 inches and my hips are 33 inches. But no. Because I’m smaller I’m less “curvy” ergo less than “real” than a thicker girl, despite having a larger hip to waist ratio. Pffffft!

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. As I well know. 😉

15 03 2010
HappyFriend

Unlike James Hunter, I would rather drink my own urine than have sex with a woman who has a ‘gunt’.
I personally think that people who are obese are disgusting hippos. My wife is a beautiful slim Asian lady, Thank God.
One thing I did notice when I returned to Australia from Japan were the sheer volume of ‘plus size’ (obese women. They all seem to have tattoos as well!

15 03 2010
Korubell

Oooh congratulations. Tiny hands make dick look huuuuge!

15 03 2010
HappyFriend

And ‘Plus Size Models’ make Fat Male Bogan not feel like a hippo.

15 03 2010
Korubell

I wouldn’t know.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. ❤ Generally, Asian women have enviable figures. But not by me of course.

15 03 2010
Jo

and perfect hair!!! damn you asian women! (I am obviously not above envy)

15 03 2010
Korubell

“and perfect hair!!! ”

Yes, here, there and everywhere. Let’s just say your average Asian woman is not altogehter ‘intimately’ acquainted with the
pubic wax trend 😦

17 05 2010
Othello Cat

Your average Asian woman is not quite as acquainted with the waxing rite-of-passage as her Caucasian sisters as, quite simply, Asians are the least hairiest of peoples — even the fairest of the Caucasians will bear much more body fuzz by comparison. Despite sporting a head of raven locks, the unwaxed and untampered Mount of Venus on a Asian lady will resemble a neat little map o’ Taz whereas head south to the Mediteranean, and the Caucasians (and yes, peoples of Southern Europe are also “Caucasian” under that quaint race taxononomy) and the ladies bear something that resembles a map of Russia.

15 03 2010
James

I have always thought that those types of bodies look like those of twelve year old boys. But I prefer Germanic women personally, despite what my Irish great-grandmother yells at me about Protestants, so mine is an entirely subjective opinion.

15 03 2010
DP

It’s the discipline fetish accompanying the Germanic women. But will she ask you to invade Poland with her. I’m sensing some unresolved issues about the Catholic defintion of sin…

15 03 2010
James Hunter

Ah yes loverly large big titted blond women of the fatherland.
Yum

15 03 2010
Loftie

Gunt… now there is a word that is surely to be added into the 2010 dictionary…

15 03 2010
Phil

Well you may have to drink youre own urine. Once a few years of The Great Australian Diet (i.e. maccas more than 3 times a week) kick in plus when your first little shit pops out she’ll be fat like all the other shielas here.

15 03 2010
Tone

‘Plus size’ models are basically the same as normal size models from the 1980s. It’s just the media have attempted to condition the bogan into thinking that size 6 stick insects are ‘normal’.

My own theory has something to do with the fashion industry being run almost entirely by homosexual men, and how they like girls they can flip over and do like boys.

15 03 2010
Korubell

“and how they like girls they can flip over and do like boys.”

I think a fairy just died. (the garden variety)

15 03 2010
HappyFriend

Magda is like a ‘normal mode’ from the 80’s??????
Are you serious?

15 03 2010
Benjamin

Did he even mention Magda?

15 03 2010
Tone

I was thinking more along the lines of Elle McPherson, Cindy Crawford et al.

I’m sure if a 16 year old Elle or Cindy lookalike lobbed up at a model agency today, she’d be called a fat cow and be escorted from the premises. That’s the fucked up part of modern modelling, and why I find the phrase ‘Plus Size’ model particularly cringeworth.

15 03 2010
Tone

*cringeworthy, much like that typo

15 03 2010
Benjamin

Cindy Crawford recently said so much herself.

Crikey. Why the hell do I know that. I’m ashamed.

15 03 2010
fishmouse

I’m pretty sure they’d be told, in a condescending manner, to go home, loose some kilos, get thier teeth, nose, skin and hair seen to then come back & they might get a look at. Might.

15 03 2010
Jodes

I was told a few years back by someone who went to the Elle lingerie launch that her bras didn’t go above 14DD because “Ms Macpherson does not want to be associated with women that size”.

15 03 2010
Jo

who belongs to that quote? I bet nobody with anything to do with her PR campaign

15 03 2010
Jodes

God no, it was a buyer, who as a plus size woman herself, knew that the market was demanding sizes above that range and wanted to know why EM was excluding it. Couldn’t be on the basis of money, because they’d make a huge amount if they did choose to provide plus sizes. So she asked, and that was the answer she received.

16 03 2010
Annette

Elle’s brand definitely stocks larger sizes than that now – you don’t have to be a size 20 to have G cup boobs, so maybe she doesn’t mind being associated with ‘busty’ women (as long as they’re not fat)…

17 03 2010
fishmouse

They sell them up to 16DD in the soft underwire style only now.
Not the pretty ones though.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Perhaps the 1580’s, when Peter Paul Rubens was but a lad.

15 03 2010
James Hunter

Ah Rubenesque,
Now you talking real women.
Thanks Fi.

15 03 2010
Tone

More cushion for the pushin’, eh James? 😉

15 03 2010
Tubesteak

My theory is that guys that go for fat chicks and real women only do it because they can’t get hot chicks.

This theory of mine has been repeatedly validated in real life by frequent validation.

Often goes like this:

Gazza rocks up to pub in Ed Hardy tee.
Gazza starts drinking
Gazza tries to hit on size 6 Sharnee.
Sharnee does not give Gazza time of day
Gazza continues drinking
Gazza spies size 14 Sharlene
Gazza is getting desperate as it is late and he is still horny
Gazza makes a move on Sharlene
Sharlene gas been ignored all night as guys have been hitting on Sharnee
Out of similar desperation Sharlene acquiesces to Gazza’s advances
They ‘snog’
Gazza doesn’t tell mates for fear of ridicule until he and Sharlene are officially an item at which point he says “I like a woman with curves”

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. And then build a McMansion with an Extra Large Grand Sitting Area.

15 03 2010
Jodes

…and where’s the assessment of Gazza’s looks in this story?

15 03 2010
Jo

Well Gazza is a guy who “can’t get hot chicks” and wears Ed Hardy so I think we can gather he’s not very good looking

15 03 2010
brad

any port in a storm Gazza,sorry i meant tubestreak.

15 03 2010
Mezz

Your theory has merit. These “industry heavyweights” that wouldn’t have a clue what appeals to the hetero male are dictating what’s hot and what’s not to the herd out there and it is more about what they find appealing.

15 03 2010
Simon of South Yarra

Exactly, what do clothes designers know about women? Just that they want to mess with their heads with so-called fashion

23 03 2010
mistress

Thanks Tone for bringing some sense to this discussion

15 03 2010
15 03 2010
Shirley M

What is with the phrase ‘killer curves’? It screams bogan in the same way ‘yummy mummy’ does.

There’s one for you TBL.. ‘yummy mummies’.

15 03 2010
Antosha

ALAS !!!

Back in my adolescent supermarket days… the chaps I worked with used to fight over who ‘had to’ do the parcel pickup for the Yummy Mummy..

Key words being: ‘back in..’ and ‘adolescent’

15 03 2010
caracal1788

Even worse is MILFs. I read a forum recently when a woman in her 40’s was boasting that her son’s friend, aged 13, had told her son that his mother was a MILF. I nearly threw up. Only a bogette would find the attentions of a 13 year old flattering.

15 03 2010
Gavin

I do love it when clearly overweight women claim to have ‘curves’. It’s quite a stretch of the intended meaning, though i guess they could always argue a blob has curves too?

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say they have A curve.

15 03 2010
Mezz

They can argue the point all they like. There are curves and there are bulges. The ones claiming curviness are usually the bulgy ones!

15 03 2010
emma

HAHA role models? Oprah, Casey and Magda have been struggling with their weight for years… how is that a role model.

15 03 2010
StevenJ

Role models with rolls.

16 03 2010
Sam

haha – roll models

nice one

16 03 2010
Nelson Esq

Having killer curves = candidate for Type 1 diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, several types of cancers…basically any medical problem which can kill you…

16 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. And on top of all that, you’re fat!

16 03 2010
James

…and probably a bogan too.

15 03 2010
fishmouse

Is it just me or this that Jennifer Hawkins picture, for a magazine, virtually untouched? Bogan ladies must have been cackling into thier Vitamin Water’s with relief and playing ‘where will the cellulite go’.

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

Bogan women don’t read Marie Clare – there are no made up celebrity stories.

Yes, the photo is completely untouched. Lucky she’s Jennifer Hawkins.

15 03 2010
Robbie

haha…women with curves look great but not “The Biggest Loser” type curves.

If size 22 Kaylaar, Shazzz or Sheril-Leigh think wearing a black tent is slimming because it’s black, then girlfriend needs to have her eyes tested.

Fat is whack LOL 🙂

15 03 2010
berihebi

“Magda Szubanski, celebrating and revelling in her diminished level of fatness,”

I’m relieved that I’m not the only one who still thinks she’s overweight. Not as much as before, but still very overweight.

15 03 2010
Jo

I think Magda Szubanski is more concerned about dieing too young rather than appearing attractive, in which case any weight loss is a step in the right direction.

15 03 2010
berihebi

It’s a step in the right direction but she’s still at great risk of dieing (that spelling doesn’t look right) too young IMO. I think it’s a bit early to be celebrating her ‘new body’ in the way that mags seem to do. And yes, I realise this all sounds a bit Sandilands-esque but there’s a bit of Kyle in all of us which is why this blog exists 🙂

16 03 2010
j-ho

Because it’s ‘dying’

15 03 2010
Mezz

How very “Sandilands” of you. I think she’s done ok and if she can get a few other bulgy women out there to follow her lead, it can’t hurt. We could always just ship them off to a nazi camp for better results all round I guess..

15 03 2010
pb

i hate the ‘real woman’ phrase. perpetuating the idea that being a ‘woman’ is defined by your bust-waist-hip ratio is utter crap.

15 03 2010
Benjamin

I agree mostly. But the truth is that many (all?) women as depicted in magazines and what not are not real. It doesn’t really have anything to do with their BMI.

Do some googling. Here is a very interesting example. Yes, it’s an ad, but well made and not completely unrepresentative:

Hence that Jennifer Hawkins article above, which was an attempt to show her without the airbrushing. ie “Real”. I can agree with that. It’s one thing to show stick figures, and quite another to show outright fake and impossible.

15 03 2010
Jo

yes what a surprise it was to find out that an attractive model such as Jenifer hawkins looks good naked, who would have thought…

15 03 2010
Benjamin

I really don’t want to weigh in on that argument. I certainly didn’t attempt to, sorry if I gave that impression.

I just wanted to draw attention to the bizarre phenomenon where reality is perverted well beyond what exists in nature. Reality versus Fakery.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. “… weigh into the argument…”

15 03 2010
DP

And he didn’t realize…

15 03 2010
James Hunter

dont get heavy on him

15 03 2010
Benjamin

You think I didn’t?

This isn’t the USA – we don’t have to tell people that something is humour here.

Don’t we?

15 03 2010
DP

Seems I’m not the only one with an irony deficit.

16 03 2010
Sam

NOT!!!

15 03 2010
pb

oh i know magazines are completely false due to their use of photoshop and airbrushing. but dismissing anyone thin because they aren’t ‘real women’ really annoys me, and it seems to be becoming completely socially acceptable.
the video is interesting, but of course dove are hypocrites as they make money out of the obsession with appearance and weight that they are pretending to be concerned about. but that’s a separate issue.

15 03 2010
caracal1788

Benjamin, I always insist that people who ask me to watch that one see this one, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=7-kSZsvBY-A

I think they both make an interesting (although diametrically opposed) point!

16 03 2010
Sam

this one is scary

she has gone from “real” to “unreal”

15 03 2010
Loftie

I must say… of the ‘real women’ looks that those womens magazines are occasionally featuring…

Ricki-Lee Coulter would have to be the best…

Great personality on and off screen… enough talent to actually sing quite well… and looks are incredible…

what a woman…

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. And a rather large backside to go with it.

15 03 2010
Loftie

hell yeah…

‘more cushion for the pushin’

15 03 2010
Jodes

She’s pear shaped, nothing wrong with that. We have to get away from this idea that only hourglass figures are acceptable.

15 03 2010
fishmouse

Pear-shaped is healthier for women anyway, carrying all the weight on your hips/thighs than on your chest.

Did the hourglass obsession start with the early pin-ups or was it earlier?

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. We need do no such thing! Rick-Lee should simply exercise more and eat less. Then she will have shackled off not just the weight, but the last vestiges of her boganhood.

15 03 2010
James

I doubt it, Fiona. Doesn’t she host some kind of reality show? Her boganhood goes far deeper than her hips – just listen to her music.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. I stand corrected sir. 1 all…

15 03 2010
Jodes

Its naive to think that simply losing weight changes your bone structure. If you’re pear shape and lose weight, you will remain pear shaped, just smaller proportions. Rather than focus on an impossible ideal that has to be applied to every female body, its better to acknowledge difference in shapes and sizes.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Just how fat are you???

15 03 2010
Jodes

LOL, just how prejudicial are you? Its a shame you are so threatened by the existence of difference.

15 03 2010
Jo

I’m not “fat” and I agree with Jodes, in some cases it isn’t a matter of diet and excercise some people are larger in various areas naturally, and bone structure plays an important part to body type. I’m lucky I have small bones and a fast metabolism, I do no excercise, drink excessive amounts of beer/wine and have a diet mostly made up of creamy pastas, hot chips, takeaway food and bread.

15 03 2010
StevenJ

Just quietly, poor diet and no exercise will catch up with you.

15 03 2010
Jo

I know, and I’ll worry about it when it happens…but for now I’ll enjoy the freedom of my youth as if the good times will roll forever!

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

That’s a terrible diet, Jo. It’s a great example of how delluded we are made to be in society though that only “fat” people are thought to eat too much shit and that “skinny” people can get away with it. You still have organs that need looking after, and arteries to keep clean. The amount of visible body fat you have or don’t have does not determine your health.

15 03 2010
Jo

I never claimed to be healthy, I just claimed to be skinny, I’m aware I’m unhealthy.
I just wanted to point out that genes/bone structure whatever plays a large role in how “fat” we look/are, another female the same age and height as me could follow the same diet and excercise regime (that being none) and appear a lot worse off.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Although, it IS an excellent indicator of your health…

15 03 2010
Simon

Funny Fi!

16 03 2010
Sam

she must be fat and she has a big chip on her shoulder…and it is covered in chippy salt, it must have got lodged there during breakfast.

15 03 2010
malheureuxmaus

pfff. that’s not true – and to give a bogue example, Nicole Ritchie-Madden used to be a bit roly poly pear shaped and now she’s a vertiable greyhound.

16 03 2010
Sam

eat yourself fat, snort yourself thin

15 03 2010
common man

at least ricki lee leave the confines of a computer fiona=shudder

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Where is “common man” today? Perhaps he was crushed to death by his wife?

15 03 2010
Jo

everyone knows there’s no such thing as fat men, only women are fat, similarly only women get “too old”.

15 03 2010
Tubesteak

This post isn’t about being fat. This post is about trying to claim that fat = real woman because the fembogue can’t look like those ‘stick insects’ on her maccas diet and monthly training sessions.

You don’t hear men complaining that there are no ‘real nen’ being portrayed in the media. You don’t hear of men crying about the next 6 pack Adonis gracing the cover of GQ and wanting George Costanza instead

You don’t hear men quoting studies that women want ‘real men’ like Jack Black instead of Hugh Jackman.

Hence this is a solely fembogue issue

15 03 2010
Jo

I know a few men who complain about pressures put on them and their body types.
I think its something that’s surfacing amongst us younger folk.
Younger men don’t feel they need to act as “blokey” as older men seem to and so feel free to express their opinions on subjects that in the past have been seen as “female” issues.

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

you don’t hear men complaining there are no “real men” in the media because the majority of men on TV are overweight, bald and old!
Just look at news readers, for example.

15 03 2010
Jo

This is true, I’ve also noticed men in tv advertisments for various everyday things like beer,cars,lawnmowers etc are often “average” looking men with guts and lacking hair.

15 03 2010
Benjamin

And here are Mitchell and Webb demonstrating why they are the funniest thing on television.

Pretty much explains the situation.

17 05 2010
Othello Cat

Not as much pressure on men to be attractive as there is on women. However, there is different pressure on men.

Most of the spam in my inbox is to make me bigger, harder and last longer at any time and any place. Same on radio and telly. Now, if only I had a penis.

There may be no men “crying” about the 6-pack Adonis coz the only way to be a Real Man ™ is to be blessed with a member like a baby’s arm holding an apple, standing to attention 24 hours a day and not dropping that load too soon.

Male performance anxiety and sexual insecurity has made Pfizer and others rather wealthy selling their cures for so-called dysfunctions.

No wonder the male bogue prefers virgins; he can’t stand criticism.

18 05 2010
AlyssaKT

Well said.
They often don’t have the common sense or logic to realise that those male porn stars are dirt ugly, chosen only for their freakish length and girth, and think that they must be under-sized.
There’s also a lot of pressure on men to keep “it” (what they do have) up. This makes a nice change as I’m sure it was all about rolling on, grunting towards their own pleasure, and rolling off, for too many until too recently.
Still, too much focus is on that deed in itself.
I guess that’s why they need to donkey punch her out.

15 03 2010
Mezz

We can only hope so…..

15 03 2010
James Hunter

maybe exercising on the common?

15 03 2010
StevenJ
15 03 2010
common man

sorry mary was left out of the new chapter if you were not aware

15 03 2010
Benjamin

Wowee guys. Good article.

I think you may have set the cat amongst the pigeons though. It’s only 10:20 and things are beginning to heat up already.

And it’s Monday. Well done guys.

15 03 2010
Mezz

Great isn’t it? One of the fieriest forums so far I’m sure.

15 03 2010
brad

agree a goodin post from TBL-the type of topic that where the assholes shine amongst the bare butts(TBL included ha ha)

16 03 2010
Sam

TBL has set the fats among the smidgens.

15 03 2010
Jax

The term ‘real women’ is awful and normalises fat people. I really doubt that there are many women out there who are naturally over a size 12 or 14. Any larger than that you are just plain fat. If all your family and friends are fat and you are used to everyone being fat then maybe you can’t see through the fat to the truth! Go to a shopping centre food court on the weekend and you will witness what best resembles Rhino feeding time at the zoo, families of fat bogans (including “real women”) eating honey chicken and Maccas. Also love hearing people dispute the BMI calculations and how it doesn’t apply to them (probably due to their glandular problem)…

15 03 2010
emma

YES. I refuse to believe anyone over size 14 is healthy either.

15 03 2010
Jodes

Well, here’s food for thought, then. At 62 kilos/5ft8in, the same weight/height that size 8 Jennifer Hawkins was when she won her beauty title, I was a size 16. You can’t apply the same standard of height/weight to every person because it doesn’t work due to differences in muscles and skeletal structures. Taller women than I am wear sizes 18-22, yet have healthy active lifestyles. If they were shorter and smaller bone structures, they’d probably have the equivalent size 12.

So, this is the problem, by refusing to ‘believe anyone over size XX is healthy’ you’re denying the existence of women who happen to be like myself or others who naturally are plus sizes without being tremendously obese.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. “Food for thought”. You’d be a decent size if that’s all the food you had.

15 03 2010
Jodes

*shrug* Rather be a woman of substance than an airhead like yourself, if that’s your preferred weightloss method.

16 03 2010
Sam

haha, another great myth spread liberally (like they spread their butter) by the fat is that fat = kind = intelligent = substance.

Abosulte BS. In my experience fatties are more likely to be jealous and nasty than us normals. Also, being lazy about exercise and what you eat is not a sign of intelligence.

16 03 2010
brad

no your wrong sam-what about song by Jet,”fat girls agenius whoa wo wo wo whoa wo”

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

I don’t understand this, Jodes: “Well, here’s food for thought, then. At 62 kilos/5ft8in, the same weight/height that size 8 Jennifer Hawkins was when she won her beauty title, I was a size 16.”
Are you just telling us what size you were in 2006 or is there some relevence to the mention that doesn’t give us enough information to form a comparison?
Surely you’re not saying you’ve ever been 5’8″ and 62 kg and size 16 at the same time? You’d have to have no legs to be a size 16 at 62kg at that height.

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

haha, no legs at that height? oops. I meant that 62kg spread over a 5’8″ frame cannot = size 16, but if you amputated your legs it would allow for more weight to be distributed on your frame. Silly really!

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. It’s obvious she’s engaging in that peculiar fat femme bogue trait of simply guessing her weight. The “guess” of course, always happens to coincide with (surprise surprise), the weight she wants to be. The cold hard reality of the scale would paint a quite different picture of course…

16 03 2010
Jodes

Yes, I was, when I was 19. Broad shoulders/hips and plenty of boob but the rest of me was way way too thin. It wasn’t a good look and I was overexercising and eating too little to try to sustain it. Body dysmorphia and eating disorders are no way to live.

3 12 2010
Ana

Jennifer Hawkins is 5ft 11in my dear bogue.

15 03 2010
Mezz

Even if they have a Thyroid or Hip condition? And don’t forget the cortisone injections…hahahhaha

15 03 2010
BloodyHeel

What about – the large proportion of unhealthy people who eat nothing but junk food, and don’t do any form of exercise (excluding sexercise) yet remain looking fabulous in their size 8/10 body.
Compared with a size 14+ person who actually participates in weekly sporting events, and has a principally health diet but still remains fatter than those who don’t look after themselves.
Sometimes, larger people can be more healthier.

15 03 2010
Jo

Yeah I was making that point earlier (see above) many a’ fatty would probably beat me hands down in a foot race if they maintain some ongoing form of excercise, because I don’t excercise, I could probably only run for about 30 seconds before collapsing in a heap of gasping and moaning pain, but I still look better in a swim suit!

15 03 2010
the trav

BMI is a crock, im 6’2″ and just on 100kg, and accoring to BMI i am “obese”. though i am carrying abit of a gut i am prob only 5-10 kgs over weight as per BMI I should be 75-80. I have spoken to a few people in the health area and they say the best measurement is you height in cm less 100.

15 03 2010
Benjamin

It looks as though using BMI breaks down a bit for tall folks. Now I am 6’3″ myself, and I know I’m overweight (on the way down though, slowly). Both my doctor and I believe that I would never get to my “ideal” BMI.

This doesn’t change the fact that I am overweight. So, I’ve been doing something about it. So there is a difference between ignoring BMI and doing something about your weight problem. (Note I’m not accusing you of having a weight problem!)

As a statistical indicator BMI probably works quite well. Like many things based on experimental/statistical data it will provide a good fit for a certain percentage of the population, but it will fall down for a number of folks at the top and bottom of the bell curve.

Claiming that your BMI is bogus as a justification for one’s state of health however is definitely bogan.

15 03 2010
amr

At 183cms and 79kgs my BMI is 24.
Two more points and I am obese….bizarre indeed.

15 03 2010
StevenJ

25-30 is overweight
>30 is obese

🙂

15 03 2010
amr

Means the same to me

15 03 2010
Benjamin

Oh – should have mentioned one reason why I don’t completely dismiss BMI.

Life insurance companies want to know what your BMI is before insuring you.

These folks profit or lose based on their risk assessment, and they almost certainly have a lot of data to look at. Mortality rates and that sort of thing.

15 03 2010
Gavin

The BMI certainly does have it’s limitations, think about all those poor male bogans who have spent so much time “getting huge” that their height to weight (huge) ratio puts them in the danger category..

15 03 2010
DP

True, BMI isn’t everything, but the pinch test and the blood test don’t lie about % of body fat and (bad) cholesterol levels. So I’m guessing that at a 100 kg with the spare tire starting to appear around the gut that you will be in the zone for a stroke or heart attack in roughly 20 years or so.

Or is that factoid a “crock” as well? Did the people in the “health area” forget to mention that to you. Is that a euphomism for the dude at the local gym? Try asking a doctor next time for advice…

15 03 2010
the trav

this blog should be on models as a collective, no one cares what you wear, eat, or do…..

15 03 2010
Phil

The current ‘plus sized’ model craze is nothing more than a marketing stratergy used by companies to impress fat women into buying thier clothes. There is nothing graceful, sensual or normality in a fat figure. Its unnatural and it’s not art.

15 03 2010
Jodes

LOL, where are these fashion companies, then? I’ve been pushing for more interest in this sector for over a decade and believe me, there are less companies involved in making plus sized fashion, not more.

Fashion mags know what sells – a dose of reality amongst the unattainable hype that they consistently push. If it truly were fashion companies, we’d be seeing the development of far more shops than we have.

15 03 2010
Phil

Then ill re-phrase. Fashion-mags trying to impress fatties into buying by sympathising with their weight.

15 03 2010
Loftie

PHIL – Hence the entry into TBL…

Obviously the marketing guys have used the same formula as previously proven with:
*Massive Cans *X-Treme products *Blonde Beers *Ed Hardy *etc etc etc

So – what will the next bogue-craze be??

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

the problem is that the “plus-sized” models are not fat. Not even close. The argument is getting confused. It’s one thing to say real women should be celebrated and another to say obesity should be. “Plus sized” in modelling is now size 8. And that’s rubbish.

15 03 2010
Em

The female body is constantly under scrutiny- by herself and by others.

What about the male body- increasingly becoming fatter and very unattractive!

15 03 2010
the trav

Men can be fat, bald and old, and still think there sexy and have half a chance with most women.

16 03 2010
Em

so true!

15 03 2010
Shirley M

I’m sure the TBL boys are going to have an entertaining day today, and I’m sure this was preemptive.

I don’t think the point of the article was to surmise that any particular body type is ideal. But keep the comments defending your preferences on particular sizes and shapes coming. They make me laugh.

15 03 2010
Jo

Everyone is aware that the point of the article wasn’t about body types, none the less it has sparked a debate about them.

16 03 2010
Em

…but don’t you see that all the discussion/debate is about FEMALE body types ??

15 03 2010
amr

I see a cover up since TBL could be shorthand for “The Biggest Loser.’

Anything to add TBL? Perhaps not the right wording when already trying to lose weight.

All TBL writers must pass minimum height/weight and attractiveness benchmarks to write. But aside from us, it’s just plain stupid to walk around pretending like you want to look at larger people on magazines, film and TV, then buy/watch whatever doesn’t. In fact most times there’s a ‘real woman’ in those situations, bogans tend to feel good about themselves simply for being cosmopolitan enough to buy it/watch it. Before buying the next Lara Bingle-headed mag a week later. TBL

15 03 2010
Phil

I also noticed, when I used to work with bogans at Coles, Biggest Loser was one of those shows which was gossiped about after having watched it the night before. It’s understandable given 60% of the show is just fat bogans crying and hugging each other.
The show is just one big communion for the fat bogans of this country to come together and grieve about bieng overweight, hence the large viewing audience. I actually think the show could be largly beneficial if it gave tips on dieting or excercise to the poor lost fat bogan. But I guess figures on reps, weights and calories would overload the bogans pee wee sized brain and would be deemed too educational and not entertaining enough and get turned off.

15 03 2010
amr

I understand the premise of post number 105 TBL.
Perhaps my attempt at humour just completely missed the mark.
Why I draw for a living and not write.

15 03 2010
Mick

The average garden variety fem-bogue is a little bit confused by the term ‘plus-size’. This is because the average garden variety fem-bogue is as big as a Holden and cannot understand why that “teeny little thing” is being described as such.

And we all know what confusion does to the bogue…

*glass*

15 03 2010
Nicki

I’m disappointed. This is a lame entry, not worthy of TBL at all. If you choose to hate and slander someone based on how fat/skinny they are, then you are a shallow loser.

15 03 2010
Korubell

Well Nicki, I’ll tell you what I want; what I really, really want…

I’m waiting patiently for the issue which covers crying. Particularly in the male of the species, be it Prime Minister, sports person/recent dumpee (same thing, really) shamed sport-playing booze addict, embarrassed drug cheat, or what have you. No one, absolutely no one does the remorseful blabbering like an Australian. If only it were an olympic event. *Sigh*.

15 03 2010
Jo

I think you missed the point of the article, it wasn’t about any particular body type being ideal (as pointed out by Shirley M) but it has sparked a debate on what we as the readers think about body types.
The article was just about the infactuation bogans have with plus-sized models.

P.S Sorry Shirley M I guess I overestimated the TBL readers, apparantly everyone isn’t aware that the point of the article wasn’t about body types

15 03 2010
Shirley M

Yes Jo, you did. Apology accepted. 🙂

Though I’m not convinced that women defending their own bodies, and men divulging whether they prefer to shag fat chicks or skinny chicks, actually constitutes an argument.

15 03 2010
BloodyHeel

What about the bogan boys who have on their ageing Holden/Ford
“No Fat Chicks”

15 03 2010
James Hunter

or a skin deep losser?

15 03 2010
west_melb_anitbogan

So has the “Fuck off we’re full” stickers replaced the “No Fat chicks” stickers on the V8 utes nowdays?

15 03 2010
Mezz

I think the Chevy badges have become representative of the two slogans, and a few more..

15 03 2010
Ironhalo

No Nicki, I have nothing against fat people, I’ll be nice to them, share a joke with them at work, ask how their weekend was….but deep down inside, I despise them. I go to the gym 4 days a week, and run about 3 days a week. I love a beer or ten from time to time, and love my food, so if I don’t do that, I’d put on weight. It absolutely galls me to hear some fattie say, ‘oh you wouldn’t know how hard it is to be fat *while wiping crumbs of a pastry off their shirt*, you’re skinny so you wouldn’t understand.’

What I understand is, that in 98% of cases, obesity comes down to two things:
1. Lack of self discipline/will,
2. Lack of exercise and a decent diet.

If you think being a liability to the health system, not being able to climb a set of stairs, induce gagging when at the beach from other people, as well as trying to kill yourself via food is ‘sexy’ and ‘natural’, then I’m afraid some people are living in a dream world. And would I hire a skinny, athletic person over an obese person? Too right…sad to say.

As for Jennifer Hawkins appearing ‘nude’, I watched with great horror as the very people who pillorised her in the media as being ‘irresponsible for enforcing unrealistic body image’ were wait for it, fat themselves. Rikki Lee was just one example.

In saying that, the people I have the greatest respect for are the obese people I see day after day in the gym doing something about it. It is inspiring.

15 03 2010
Simon

Iron halo,

Very lucid point and well made. I am much like you, ride my bike 200+km per week and generally watch what I eat but enjoy a beer or wine almost every night etc.

I just feel sorry for people who don’t respect themselves enough to make an effort (for themselves and those who care about them).

I also have my theory about the skinny models being popular because the fashion industry is dominated by gay men who want the women to look like 13 year old boys.

15 03 2010
vivisection

Why are you shifting the responsibilty to gay men? Why would you think gay men want women to look like 13 year old boys? Surely that would be paedophiles? Think it through

Gay men don’t have sex with children / teen boys.

Gay men don’t care what women look like.

Presumably, all of the men on this site who declared the abhorrence toward fat women here are straight?

15 03 2010
Jo

Yeah the comments about gay men wanting females to resemble young males doesn’t sit right with me either.
I think its more a case that the gay, male fashion designers more often openly state their preference for skinny models because;
1. They’re not females themselves and are therefore less likely to understand how and why the issue affects women.
2. They’re not hetero-sexual men therefore they’re not attracted to women therefore they are simply looking at the female body as an object to drape clothing over. In which case they prefer to drape clothing over a skinny body rather than a chubby one.

15 03 2010
Simon

Nope, disagree. people. I think most of us would agree that the clothes look horrible on the stick insects because they just hang there whilst they stand around all hunched over because their emaciated muscles can’t support 45kg.

Lets say I exaggerated with the 13 year old boy and move that to 17, the point about them not looking like women because the gay designers don’t like the female form is exactly what I am on about. They look like skinny young boys which is much more ideal to the gay mind than a healthy curvy woman (think Elle, Salma Hayek etc) who most of us would think would show the designs much more attractively.

15 03 2010
vivisection

Why do you think gay men only like skinny young boys? What about bears, what about muscle mary’s? And what about all the women designers – allanah hill, collette dinnegan, sass and bide, donatella versace etc., are they obsessed with 17 year old boys too? Sorry, wide sweeping statements linking gay sexuality and conspiracies of controlling the female form don’t add up. Gay men are also prone to eating and body disorders, who is causing this? Lesbians? These statements are just as fear / ignorance based as blaming Jews for the financial crisis.

15 03 2010
Simon

Sorry dude, have hit a sore spot. I must admit I can’t explain why female designers buy into the waif thing and I understand gay people have all sorts of tastes but this trend in “high” fashion is coming from somewhere and I think this may explain it in part if not in whole. Only my opinion.

15 03 2010
Shirley M

The explanation is simple. Waifs are coat hangers who can walk down a runway.

15 03 2010
vivisection

I think it boils down to the fact that everyone is responsible in some way,either by direct / indirect action or failure to act at all on the issue. For generations this has been an issue, since Barbie dolls and beauty pageants became the yardstick for beauty for young women. It takes a village to fuck a child up.

15 03 2010
Simon

Can we blame the Jews?

OK Ok just being stupid people, don’t shoot me.

15 03 2010
vivisection

They were very skinny in the late 1940’s early 1950’s – same time as Barbie appeared. Smells like a zionist conspiracy….By the way, this comment makes me a very bad gay Jew

15 03 2010
Benjamin

Ok then.

*glass*

23 03 2010
mistress

Ironhalo you’re wrong about this :
“What I understand is, that in 98% of cases, obesity comes down to two things:
1. Lack of self discipline/will,
2. Lack of exercise and a decent diet”

this is just neo-liberal blaming the victim mentality. Obesity is a SOCIAL problem not an individual problem. Obesity is prevalent in low socioeconomic groups and is related to a variety of social factors and nothing to do with self will or laziness.

23 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Yes, and AIDS is caused by poverty…

23 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. And of course, people are only in low socioeconomic groups because they are lazy and lack will – well, the will to improve themselves.

23 03 2010
Simon

Mistress,

Obesity is caused by consuming more calories than you expend, as simple as that, not by being poor, that is simply an excuse. I will agree that people of low socioeconomic status lack the education to make this simple link but plenty of highly educated people also fail to make this link and then look to blame everything except themselves and their poor habits. Eating too much of the wrong foods and being too lazy to exersize will make you fat, not living in a poor suburb. And it’s not blaming the victim, it is pointing out to them the error of their ways and providing a soloution. Telling them they are poor and therefore bound to become fat and there is nothing they can do about it is a crock and sticking your head in the sand.

23 03 2010
James

Its the whole misunderstanding of the difference between correlation and causation thing I guess. Some people notice that ACA and Today Tonight tells them that poor people suffer from obesity at a much higher rate than better off people, and the bogans immediately think that this correlation is also the cause. That is what happens when you give information and data to people who do not possess the mental faculties to correctly process and interpret it.

23 03 2010
Simon

Bingo, and it’s not like it’s that hard to put two and two together, it just stuns me the excuses people come up with instead of saying yep I’m lazy and drink too much iced coffee.

23 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Hmm, maybe political “science” HAS taught you a thing or two…

23 03 2010
Simon

I thought James was in International Studies?

23 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Same difference. I guess.

23 03 2010
loftie

Damn it – I thought I had nearly found an excuse for Fiona to date me…

I’m quite slim and fit… and I was hoping that we could draw a link to ‘fatties’ being from poor/low socioeconomic areas…

Meaning, using the same theory, that I must be from a higher class and therefore possibly interesting to Fiona…

Rats…

23 03 2010
Simon

Loftie, being slim, fit and an author to boot I would have thought Fiona would be all over you. Is there a peerage in your family tree? That also could help.

23 03 2010
James

Hang in there Loftie.

23 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Yes. By the neck…

24 03 2010
loftie

Where is the love?

24 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. In your heart (only), it would seem.

23 03 2010
AlyssaKT

“Obesity is prevalent in low socioeconomic groups” in developed nations. The rest are actually starving.

15 03 2010
Mezz

We are told what we should and shouldn’t accept, should and shouldn’t like, feel and say. I think you have a few excellent points and if you are repulsed by the sight of obesity, you should have every right to voice your feelings without being restricted by political correctness in society.. I would also think twice about hiring someone who wears their low level of self respect like a badge of rolls..

15 03 2010
Amanda

Thank you for this post. It’s brilliant.

It amazes me that people forget the health issues that come along with being overweight, and are telling young girls that it’s okay.

15 03 2010
Mezz

I agree. Doctors are quite forthcooming with their opinions when dealing with patients that are smokers due to the inevitable stress they will put on the already disfunctional health system. Where is the difference between smokers and people who destroy their health wilfully with bad lifestyle choices relating to diet?

15 03 2010
John

American Spelling TBL?

Legitimizes – since when has this been spelt with a ‘z’?

Adaptation of all things American is surely a bogue trait. Have you just outed yourself?

Alas, the spellcheck function on Microsoft Word appears to have overridden the choice of spelling. You’ll be pleased to note that it is now fixed. TBL

15 03 2010
Shirley M

While Americans solely accept the ‘ize’ ending, it is considered equally acceptable as ‘ise’ in British English, according to the OED.

15 03 2010
John

Acceptable, perhaps. Correct, no.

I can’t stand the Americanisation of the English language. Many business names in Australia are littered with the letter z when they shouldn’t be. Are our children being taught this in schools?

It looks wrong because it is wrong.

A plague on society.

I expected Fiona to had picked this up – surely someone of her standing wouldn’t lower herself to American (sic) English.

Undone by pedants! TBL

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. I take my cue from the OED in this regard and must side with Shirley M. As my higher degree in the Classics is from *BEEP* University, I feel it’s my duty.

15 03 2010
Shirley M

Actually John, if you take a look at the history of the English language, you’ll find that this is a far more complex issue than simply one of Americanisation.

In my opinion, if it’s ok with the OED, it’s ok with me.

While we are talking about my opinion, I also maintain that people who enjoy pointing out the spelling and grammatical mistakes of others without contributing anything of substance themselves, are clown shoes.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Oh SNAP! You go girl!

15 03 2010
Benjamin

You go girl?

Fiona, you are falling off my pedestal.

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

I believe it was very tongue-in-cheek, Benjamin

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. A bit slow isn’t he? He’d fall off my pedestal, but I never had him on one.

15 03 2010
Benjamin

And so is my response 😉

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. I know what tongue and what cheek you’re talking about. Naughty boy!

15 03 2010
Benjamin

Wow.

Well, your imagination seems to be a bit fruitier than mine.

Naughty girl!

15 03 2010
Korubell

“are clown shoes.”

Did you absolutely have to mention the “C” word? Next thing we know the forum will be overrun with try-hard trendies claiming they’re scared of clowns :-/

15 03 2010
Benjamin

Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgh!

Clowns!!

15 03 2010
Simon

Shirl, you are awesome.

15 03 2010
Shirley M

Thanks Simon. I tend to agree with you. 😉

15 03 2010
Simon

Modest too!

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. That’s not how you spell “Fiona”.

15 03 2010
Simon

Sorry Fiona, I like to spread my praise and it was a great slap down.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. It hasn’t escaped my attention that we’ve seen the last of John.

15 03 2010
Simon

We will put Shirl on the job if CM comes back!

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Shirl would be wasted on cm: pearls before swine and all that. James Hunter is about cm’s speed, methinks.

15 03 2010
Shirley M

Putting a misguided pedant in their place is one thing. Reasoning with a self-indulgent moronic conspiracy theorist is outside my realm of ‘giving a fuck’.

15 03 2010
James Hunter

People want a “real” size Aussie female singer need look no further thern “Kate Cerebano”
Kate can sing up a storm and she is HOT

15 03 2010
James

But she is also a Scientologist.

15 03 2010
Mezz

She’ll go down well amongst the bogans.. They love a subscriber to Scientology even though they wouldn’t have the foggiest idea what their beliefs are..

15 03 2010
common man

i see fiona was watching channel 7 instead of dateline =bogan

15 03 2010
Benjamin

And there you are. What took you so long?

15 03 2010
Simon

Shit Ben, I thought if we all stayed quiet he would think there is no one here and leave.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. It’s about 3:30pm. Just enough time to get home from his tradesman’s job and into his “study” and onto his computer.

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

I had the same thought.

Well into his 4th VB/Woodstock probably too.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Hopefully he’ll have passed out before his wife gets back from Krispy-Kreme. I’d hate to think of the glassing that would ensue if he was interrupted by her barging in from the Grand Sitting Room.

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

I’ve no doubt his comments to me about my (alleged) husband (purportedly) requiring beer goggles to look at me were transference…

15 03 2010
brad

kooky too the hilt

15 03 2010
brad

i meant Kate Cerebano not Fi and AlyssaKT

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. She’ll trim down when her inner thetan leaves. Probably only about $500,000 to go…

15 03 2010
Mezz

That’s great – I just saw this comment. Over the heads of most I imagine..

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

Most of Australians or most of us?
I got it.
I would hope the majority would here (with obvious exceptions)… although sometimes I wonder…

16 03 2010
James

I would hope the same, AlyssaKT. I was under the impression it was fairly common knowledge.

16 03 2010
Sam

That’s a pretty obvious one Mezz. It is probably getting close to your upper limit though, so I can see why you are so impressed.

15 03 2010
Simon of South Yarra

The “I am big boned”, “I have a thyroid condition” cries of the obese doesn’t ring true when they are foraging through the food(?) courts of the malls.

If you put on weight, then modify your diet and exercise!

having a diet coke with a macca’s upsized meal of fries and a burger will not make much difference, especially when they “treat” themselves ot krispy kremes in the value packs

15 03 2010
Mezz

Totally off topic but…You just reminded me of a bogan run fundraiser at my work a few yrs ago. The organisers sent out blanket emails (to everyone) advising that Krispy Kreme doughnuts were being sold to raise money for DIABETES AUSTRALIA. I laughed so hard that I tore a muscle in my abdomen.

15 03 2010
Simon of South Yarra
15 03 2010
Simon

That, is scary.

15 03 2010
Mezz

“Donna, who wears XXXXXXXL dresses, eats mounds of junk food and tries to move as little as possible”

MY GOD – WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE!!!!

I agree – by comparison Short People are harmless!!

15 03 2010
Shirley M

Gravy with butter?

15 03 2010
Mezz

Yep – and Dairy Whip straight from the can! LOL

15 03 2010
FT

My fave line in this article… “He’s a real belly man, and completely supports me”.

hahahahahahaha. For me, this conjured up images of a skinny little guy, legs wobbling and face turning red as he crouched under her enormous gut and tried to keep it from scraping along the ground as she walked.

15 03 2010
Shirley M

Sexy time for those two would be akin to the door swinging on the caravan.

15 03 2010
Mezz

I think he just wants her to grow the belly until there’s anough of an over hang to prevent her being physically able to conceive another child. I don’t understand why some welfare agency can’t have her institutionalised as a risk to herself the same way that a suicide patient is scheduled into care when deemed a risk..

15 03 2010
Mezz

*enough* – apologies for the spelling…

15 03 2010
vivisection

Has anyone seen the brilliant doco – “Fat Girls and Their Feeders” I highly recommend it if you want to see domestic violence in action – feed her up, keep her isolated, tell her she’s pretty, watch her slowly die. This woman is surprisingly not that uncommon.

15 03 2010
James

I remember that documentary. I also remember a guy in it saying that when his women got really fat, they developed patches of skin that were an inch thick, and resembled the skin of an elephant. Apparently, he found this attractive.

15 03 2010
r.jett

That was one of my pet hates. Gives me the frigging irrits when there are bogan women (usually in their 30’s and after popping out a couple of kids) that haven’t come to grips with the reality that their metabolism has slowed down (while still following the same eating pattern) and thier bodies have been altered after pregnancy, declare they are the ‘average woman’. Then ridicule anything under their weight as ‘stick figures and grossly malnourished’.

15 03 2010
Korubell

Seriously, stop paying them to breed. You’d be doing more than Australia a favour 🙂

15 03 2010
Robbie

LOL!…I just did the same Mez when I read your story 🙂

15 03 2010
Mezz

The scary thing is that it’s totally true!

15 03 2010
Robbie

I remember when Krispy Kreme opened it’s first Australian store in Penrith…they must have been looking for the highest concentration of bogans as they knew they would rake in the $$$….and it worked!! 🙂

15 03 2010
Simon

When occasionally travelling to Sydney time spent looking at the line up for Krispy Kreme is a Boganfest. They should be playing The Baby Elephant Walk over the loudspeaker.

15 03 2010
S-Man

A plus sized model.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1257850/Super-sized-mother-determined-worlds-fattest-woman-years.html

That child in the photo should beware, she looks entree sized in comparison. This woman will soon be a shut-in, good think her husband is a feeder.

15 03 2010
Tom

Slightly off topic but I’ve always wondered why someone like Kate Moss is widely criticised for promoting an unhealthy body image, yet Beth Ditto is praised for affirming the right of women to be comfortable in their skin or some nonsense like that. I would have thought Ditto’s morbid obesity was just as if not more unhealthy than Kate Moss’s anorexia.

15 03 2010
AlyssaKT

I don’t know who has been praising Beth Ditto but they should stop.

15 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Ditto.

15 03 2010
Shirley M

I agree. Not because she’s rotund, but because she wails like a banshee.

15 03 2010
Kate

I believe the only difference is anorexia is an eating disorder, a psychological condition which is nearly impossible to treat in many cases, and which if treated, will stay with the sufferer for life. Whereas, 99.9% of fatasses out there have no other medical condition causes their obesity.

15 03 2010
Tom
15 03 2010
chubbybloodfart

great post as always. as for the following discussion under comments, (etymological discussion excepted) that is the most BOGAN thing I have ever read on this blog. Puh-leeze. It’s the twenty first century. Surely dicussion of body image is entirely moot amongst people of even the mildest intellect. And Fiona and James; get a room or swap phone numbers or something spare the rest of us.

15 03 2010
Simon

And Puh-Leaeze is not Bogan?

15 03 2010
chubbybloodfart

I wouldn’t have thought so… but I take your point. I was in a hurry and chose an americanism. Apologies. Something I do think is bogan however is misspelling. And missspelling a direct quote? Well that’s just plain stupid.

15 03 2010
Simon

Where do typos fit in? Sometimes we all make an assss of ourselves.

16 03 2010
chubbybloodfart

Please forgive my fragile ego. It was a long hard day.

16 03 2010
Simon

Love the name.

15 03 2010
15 03 2010
Linda

omg it has alerady been posted.

my apologies.

15 03 2010
Kate

Here is her website link for you all… Bon appetit!

http://www.supersizedbombshells.com/Treasure/index.html

15 03 2010
Simon

Fuck me. Warning do not click this if you have just eaten.

15 03 2010
Mezz

Thanks Kate but you really didn’t have to do that…

15 03 2010
Loftie

Definition of GUNT: Follow above link…

15 03 2010
Mezz

See what you’ve gone and done Kate! Hahahaha. Simon & Loftie will never be the same again now..

15 03 2010
Simon

So much lace doing so little work.

15 03 2010
amr

Probably kevlar lace.

15 03 2010
amr

I think I just threw up a little.

Nothing but salad for dinner tonight.

15 03 2010
Mezz

Now there’s an idea.. Use this hideous example of humanity to scare people on the brink of obesity to get a grip. I am not game to look as my imagination tells me that I really don’t need to see this site but I’m sure if it has a similar impact on others out there, it will work as a deterrent.

16 03 2010
Sam

You are on a roll (haha) today Mezz. I think the Department of Health and Ageing should require that pictures like this are placed on pizza boxes and hamburger wrappers.

15 03 2010
toony

She’s actually an over-sized pink witchetty grub? :O

15 03 2010
Ash

Urgh, just the name Krispy Kreme induces queasiness.

The fat lady has a website where men pay to watch her eat junk food, er.. what do these guys do whilst watching her.

I think the fashion industry should stick with slim women because clothes look better on a defined and well shaped form. Extra kilos merely act as a visual distraction when the purpose is to showcase the clothes. But too thin models have this effect as well.

15 03 2010
James Hunter

Fiona,
please avert yopur eyes from this entry.
jim
Ash,
have you ever seen those “peep-a-view” places where in one room a girl does a realy explicit strip show and through the one way glass in another little room the punter who has paid ,lets say $100.00 to watch and wank?
Realy crazy,sleezy shit.
makes no sense when probably just down the road the same punter for $100.00 could have had the “full service” and half an hour with an honest working girl.
hope this answers your question??

15 03 2010
Ash

Just checked the link.

That’s so gross.

15 03 2010
Shirley M

I’ve always been very fond of the internet and am quick to defend it when people speak of it’s evils. After seeing this:

I’m not so sure anymore….

15 03 2010
David

Well, aren’t the readership of this site an enlightened lot. If a major point of superiority over bogans is intolerance towards fat people, I think I’d rather be a bogan.

Contemporary Australian society has absurd body image issues, and the fact that labels like ‘plus-size’ are used so disproportionately is a part of the problem. What is ‘plus-size’, anyway? An inability to fit into children’s clothing?

Being overweight may be unhealthy, but so is not having sufficient calcium intake – the only reason that people are so obsessed about weight is because our society is so moronically image-conscious. The real sickness we’re dealing with here is an intellectual one. Shove your obesity epidemic up your arse.

15 03 2010
Bec

And yet, it was the bogans yelling at me from their maloo utes when I was out exercising at a higher weight. Funny that: they tell you to exercise and “put down the fork”, yet when you do exactly that it’s ZOMG the worsest thing evah!!!!!

15 03 2010
amr

Keep running Bec!
Ignore comments from fat bogan wankers in chevodore utes.
It is pure jealousy that you can run.

15 03 2010
Kayleigh

I only thought bogans debated so heatedly about people’s weight! Anyway, I actually thought the ‘real women’ craze was just as much about cutting back on the use of photoshop in general as it was about portraying women with a wide range of body shapes. For example, that crease on the right hand side of Hawkins’ body would usually be photoshopped out so she would appear more ‘flawless’, but this ultimately produces an unnatural and unattainable version of a female body, because women’s body’s naturally have creases etc. You just have to look at that infamous Ralph Lauren photoshop horror to see things have gone too far (the one where the model’s head is bigger than her pelvis). Vogue even photoshopped out Tina Fey’s scar, which is just ridiculous because everyone knows it’s there and it’s real (I’m not clued in on whether liking Tina Fey is bogan or not).

If you’re naturally skinny and unphotoshopped, then you’re just as real as any ‘plus sized’ women. The problem is, magazines too often take real sized women and photoshop their proportions and other things to make them unreal, and it does have a negative effect on the psyche of females, in particular the young and impressionable, hence the push for more ‘real’ women in magazines by both bogans and non-bogans alike. The difference being that non-bogans tend to do things in a less hypocritical way.

With that said, the push for ‘real’ women doesn’t mean we should attempt to normalise being overweight and unhealthy, just that even perfectly healthy, gorgeous women have creases and curves that need to be portrayed realistically.

15 03 2010
Laura

There’s definitely no shortage of the type of hefty bogan spoken of in this entry, but sometimes it seems to me there are just as many underweight femme bogues around, especially schoolgirl femme bogues, the type found in Supre et al. Perhaps it’s just a northern suburbs thing? Any other Melburnians notice the prevalence of bogan lasses doing their darnedest to emulate their bogue queen, Victoria Beckham’s disgusting figure?

Great article, as always. 🙂

15 03 2010
chris

Jodes (10:58:28) :

Well, here’s food for thought, then. At 62 kilos/5ft8in, the same weight/height that size 8 Jennifer Hawkins was when she won her beauty title, I was a size 16. You can’t apply the same standard of height/weight to every person because it doesn’t work due to differences in muscles and skeletal structures. Taller women than I am wear sizes 18-22, yet have healthy active lifestyles. If they were shorter and smaller bone structures, they’d probably have the equivalent size 12.

So, this is the problem, by refusing to ‘believe anyone over size XX is healthy’ you’re denying the existence of women who happen to be like myself or others who naturally are plus sizes without being tremendously obese.

its called body fat %.
if u went to the gym lost 5kgs of fat and put on 5kgs of muscle you would have a nice shape, smaller toned arms and you might even get rid of your moo gu!

so dont play the “skeletal structure” card.

P.S Fiona from Toorak, I Love you

15 03 2010
chris

As for the comment earlier about “at least her fat is around her waist/hips and not her chest, its more healthy”. Something along those lines anyway.
Ever seen the fat/skinny type?
Men skinny arms huge gut?
Women skinny arms horse arse?
Its because bogans believe in “i dunno why i get fat aye, i only eat twice a day”
research is free.
I have tried to help around 15 girls i know who were from size 10 – 16 to lose weight.
You know how many commited for at least 3 weeks?
One!
My mother who has been losing 500g – 1kg consistently for the last 7 kgs.
No excercise at all.
Everey time i ask someone what there diet is like, they reply “i only eat once or twice a day”
knowledge is power!
P.s i challenge someone to give my diet a go!

16 03 2010
Odium

More empty gasbagging. Doesn’t anyone realise that this idiocy can be cured by a nice long famine? It’s hard to complain about your size when you can play your own ribs like a xylophone.

16 03 2010
Sibyl Ince

You Australians are scary. All of you.

16 03 2010
James Hunter

Sibyl,
If you want to know just how scary, go to my web site
http://www.circusbizarre.com.au

16 03 2010
Sam

That’s a bit racist Cybill. Is everyone racist where you’re from?

18 03 2010
Whatever

who gives a fuck what men want. just be yourselves. if you like fat, then be fat, if you like thin, then be thin. fuck what other men or people think of it. it will feel good that they’re not affecting you or your life at all whilst they waste their lives away judging others on how they look. yes i know, this is a “fat people” philosophy, right? wrong. it’s called “telling everyone to go and fuck themselves”.

19 03 2010
David

Couldn’t have put it more succinctly. Well said.

23 03 2010
bambi

chris, wtf… why did a size 10 girl need to lose weight? :S tone up, get healthy i understand, but the aim being to lose weight? weird.

26 03 2010
pb

alas the erudite journal cosmopolitan is telling us that plus-sized models are bad too: http://www.cosmopolitan.com.au/no_models_are_good_for_you.htm the comments following are the expected cesspit.

26 03 2010
AlyssaKT

The problem with these “body love” campaigns is that whilst including women of different sizes, shapes and colours sounds good in theory, it still maintains the idea that how a woman looks is more important than anything else she might have going for her.

Did you read the comments below the article, pb?
“i am 60kg and if i see an overweight women i am way more likely to feel better about myself because i’m not as “big” as her…”

It seems, from reading that and the comments on this article, that everyone seems to still be under the impression that “plus-sized” models are all fat. They are anyone who is not size 0.

The notion of this article, I believe, is the bogans flip-flopping between hating and loving “skinny bitches” and “fat cows”, depending on how their latest No Idea magazine chooses to portray them.

26 03 2010
pb

i completely agree about ‘body love’ campaigns really just perpetuating judging women by their appearance.
i read quite a few pages of the comments, but it seemed all the comments were either plus-sized models are hideous and anyone who isn’t thin is disgusting (the comment you referred to) or thin models are hideous and anyone who is size 8 or less is disgusting. both arguments are a load of crap.

26 03 2010
AlyssaKT

Exactly – and that exact mentality was evident in these comments (on TBL)…

26 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. Are you ugly AlyssaKT?

26 03 2010
AlyssaKT

You can find me on the Facebook TBL if you wish, Fiona.

26 03 2010
Fiona of Toorak

LOL. If I had a facebook, perhaps I would make the effort. Perhaps.

8 04 2010
JacJacJacqui

What annoys me is that people think you’re jealous if you put Jennifer Hawkins down. I’m sorry but “average” does NOT make me jealous. It makes me feel NORMAL. Why are people getting so upset. I think my body is way better than hers and I don’t have to go to the sweat factory (you might call it a ‘gym’) or watch what I eat. Big deal, she’s slim with no hips and no boobs. Good for her, I looked like that when I was 13. Nothing to be jealous of people, calm down. If you still feel ugly do a google image search for “Jennifer Hawkins Secretary” and “Jennifer Hawkins Cheerleader” and when you’ve finished dry retching and trying to rid that image of grey skin and semi-ranga dishwater hair from your retinas, you’ll feel heaps better. I promise. She’s just a cheerleader who won a beauty pageant – a beauty pageant that has been a laughing stock for decades, no less. Let’s not stop laughing now that some Aussie bogan won it. And for the record, Dawko is a bogan if I ever saw one. Have you heard her SPEAK? I CRINGE! I can’t believe she used to be a legal secretary – they actually have to SPEAK and sound somewhat intelligent. And they put her on TV and make her SPEAK! Whyyyyy?

8 08 2010
martin

Yes. Jennifer Hawkins is very overrated. Most catwalk models are for that matter. Give me someone shorter and more full figured any day.

8 08 2010
James Hunter

Size 12 and 14 or even a 10 and a 16 for sure but these size 6 anorexic stick figures. yuck.

4 05 2010
the captain

I don’t know if there is just one or many writers contributing to the list, but there is some genuine talent and painfully accurate insight to be read here. As Alan Partridge might say, it’s “lovely stuff”.

8 08 2010
maya

Bogans don’t exercise and eat well…

13 11 2010
Stephanie

I am not a ‘bogan’. I don’t eat much and I work out everyday for almost (2) hours a day. I take a prescription for my eye disease and I am technically overweight. In the last (4) months I have dropped 40 pounds and I’m working toward losing another 20. I am not starving myself or on a crazy diet. I am losing weight the proper way, but I gained the weight because I lost my sight and the medicine I needed to get my sight back caused weight gain. So based on the comments here – I’m fat and basically a loser. That’s just great. I don’t care. I look to my God for help and the rest of you can go to hell.

2 09 2012
ItalianBogan

Fiona of Toorak, I love you. You are hilarious

11 09 2012
James Hunter

Fi is always good value.
Should be more of her ! !

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