There is nothing a bogan loves more than being outraged. In particular, being outraged at people who, for a variety of reasons, it has made minimal effort to understand on ethnic, national, or religious grounds. And there is no better font of fury-inducing rocket fuel than News Ltd’s very own line of Australian newspapers. The only rumoured greater source is whatever is written at the bottom of a glass of Bundaberg and Cola.
With an array of columnists with a hard-wired awareness of the bogan’s panic buttons, the topic du jour on the comments page (and increasingly, the papers’ websites’ blogs) invariably revolves around blaming ‘other’ people for bad things. Often, those at fault are the very people who are the victims of their own reckless/lazy/indolent behaviour (see alcoholism, Aboriginal or homelessness, the homeless).
Thus stimulated, bogans are equipped with sufficient righteous indignation to cover any encounter with a fellow at the water cooler, food court, playgroup or other designated daytime bogan convergence point. Once discussion of last night’s episode of Master Chef and Border Security is exhausted, that is. This discussion tends to follow similar themes to the commentary printed in that morning’s tabloids. Indeed, many a bogan has been caught repeating a slightly more obscure columnist verbatim, in an effort to pass off the opinion as their own.
Example:
Bogan 1: “Can you believe they’re actually going through with an emissions trading thingy because of climate change? I mean, for all intensive purposes, Australia doesn’t mean anything to climate change!”
Bogan 2: “Tell me about it – it’s all a crock anyway…there’s a whole bunch of scientists – like 100,000 – who say it’s all bull, and that climate change is a myth made up to charge us higher taxes so we can give Abos more welfare that they’ll spend on booze! And I reckon this is a perfect opportunity for the Liberals to make a case for the next election – there’s a silent majority out there that’s waiting for a party to push this whole thing to one side, but the lefty media won’t publish anything. Can you believe it?!”
Bogan 1: “That’s funny, I read exactly the same thing in Andrew Bolt’s column this morning…”
Bogan 2: “…Really? Oh…well…what a coincidence…ha ha…great minds think alike!”
Of course, this is not limited only to News Ltd’s Victorian or Novocastrian endeavours. The Courier Mail, The NT News, The Adelaide Advertiser, and of course the incredible www.news.com.au (news being in the title makes it easily googlable without actually knowing any news websites – ideal) are all bastions of bogan confected outrage. Enough outrage to tide the bogan through to 6:30pm, on its choice of channel 7 or 9.
NB – The bogan would enjoy The Australian, also, although its worrisome habit of being too big and using too many confusing phrases like ‘leftist agenda’ makes it considered unsuitable reading by the bogan.
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I’m thinking of doing my own little Conroyesque Great Wall of Censorship located within the confines of my own home and using my router to block news.com.au and its associated sites.
LOL. Bernie Slattery, sub-Editor of the Herald Sun won’t publish ANY of my comments any more. How are the lesser people expected to learn anything useful?
There’s always http://www.thepunch.com.au
Thanks for this link, Paul!
Maybe its time to use a new ‘alias’ Fiona…
Though the LOL would give it away …. cos you certainly do laugh alot!
LOL. Why? I’m not ashamed the joie-de-vivre I express during my educational outpourings.
But whom do they educate if they are left in the wastebasket or recycle bin at HS editorial desk?
Surely with your higher degree in the Classics, the educational outpouring would still strike the heart of those you aim for in your audience… regardless of whom it is attributed to…
LOL. A fair point indeed, kind sir.
Why thank you Fiona…
*tips hat*
LOL. Now GET OUT OF THAT TREE before I call security!
Seems I need to study the art of Ninja a little more carefully…
Next time I will be more covert… More ‘Chuck Norris’ like…
LOL. Fine, but no beard!
Agreed…
“Of course, this is not limited only to News Ltd’s Victorian or Novocastrian endeavours. The Courier Mail, The West Australian”
Novocastrian in NSW is a slang term for Newcastle residents.
I assume you meant NSW News.Ltd tabloids like the Terror?
This bolg ties in very nicely with “Political correctnes gone mad”
Nice work
We were aware, but being ignorant Victorians, chose to overlook it. Besides, willful ignorance is at the heart of all bogan endeavours, is it not? TBL
LOL. Novocastrian is not a slang term at all. It’s the adjectival form of Newcastle. Once again my higher degree in the Classics comes to the fore.
Still you have bogan parents, as you so rightly pointed out the other day.
So the devil spawn of bogan parents must therefore, ipso facto, must be from bogan genetic material.
Good one Fi for outing yourself. 🙂
LOL. You can’t even spell your own name.
look Fi no use getting cranky at me. You were the one that outed yourself as a bogan.
I never thought you would be one until you mentioned that children were “of bogan”.
Never mind luv, your self worth is validated on an internet blog 😉
whoosh – straight over your head luv 😉
LOL. Your are confusing confusion with ennui.
In fact, Newcastle’s paper, The Herald, is by Fairfax.
I suspect the only reason News Limited can still get away with using the word ‘news’ in their name without being taken to the ACCC is because they now manufacture their own news. Reporting other people’s news is so 20th Century, not to mention the antithesis of x-treme.
maybe that’s why the word ‘limited’ is there – because the supposed news has a limited bearing on reality?
BURN!
“There is nothing a TBL reader loves more than being outraged….
With an array of columnists with a hard-wired awareness of the TBL reader’s panic buttons, the topic du jour on the comments page …invariably revolves around blaming ‘Bogans’ for bad things…..
Thus stimulated, TBL readers are equipped with sufficient righteous indignation to cover any encounter with a fellow at the water cooler, food court, playgroup or other designated daytime pseudo-intellectual/hipster wannabe/aspiration-bogan-in-denial convergence point…..”
Touche, PoK, touche (please note, grammar and spelling freaks, that WordPress will not allow me to accent the ‘e’). TBL
Yawn. Get a second trick…you pony.
You copied the technique from the TBL blog on Melbourne Cup day and you wheel it out whenever you can in a display of supposed insight and wit. You are nothing but a laughing stock.
Yawn. Get a second trick….you pony
You copied the irrational meltdown technique from people in the TBL post on Residential Property Investment and you wheel it out whenever you can’t cope with someone displying insight and wit. You are nothing but a laughing stock.
Anything else?
Funny – anyone who points out that you recycle someone else’s old material over and over is having an “irrational meltdown”. This is a typical bogan response to have when someone points out your failings.
You are like an old alcoholic who keeps repeating the same jokes. You are Professor Barney.
Sam> “(o’.’#)Q=(~.~Q)
LOL. Using the accent is so passé.
clever.
how did you do that?
Alt 0233 = é
Or you just put a word like “passe” into Google and copy and paste the correct resulting “passé”
Fiona, Slatts is a mate of mine — I’ll have a word.
But TBL, I thought tagging everything with a green or eco- prefix was supposed to be the next big thing in Bogue marketing (indeed if you look at the Sydney Daily Telegraph’s weekend supplements, which target aspirational bogues, they are all about “eco-renovations”, “eco-tourism”). Your note about cliamte change above therefore rings wrong.
Without turning this into a debate, there’s nothing “bogue” about calling bullshit on greenie alarmism.
The bogan remains some way away from green awareness, and since we published that, the tide has turned on the green debate: i.e. vocal bogans are winning. Even when the bogan DOES embrace environmental science, it will do so via carbon offsets, rather than actually curtail its lifestyle at all. In the meantime, perhaps Rupert and Co. have a better grasp on the bogan psyche than we do…TBL
There’s nothing high class about a hair shirt.
Doesn’t Ed Hardy have a line of them yet?
LOL. Also, dear TBL, I think you need to be explicit that you have deliberately made an error in: “… mean, for all intensive purposes, Australia…” Otherwise, your usual readers will have their current mistaken view reinforced. I respectfully suggest a hyperlink to #26 – malapropisms…
Yes, Fiona, I was just about to comment on that – but only to congratulate TBL on using that common corruption of the phrase so aptly in a bogan conversation!
Perhaps TBL should have included a (sic) though to indicate they knew it was “for all intents and purposes”…?
LOL. That would work, but I prefer my suggested correction as it self-references the blog. It adds a nice touch, don’t you agree?
I am concerned that TBL hasn’t made the change yet due to the fact that they don’t actually know what’s wrong?
Altuough, if they DO make the change now, they leave themselves open to the charge that it only came about AFTER reading your explicit correction…
TBL lives for ‘bloggers’ correcting them…
Thats why they make deliberate mistakes… like easter eggs… witihn their posts…
Right??
LOL. That may well be their post priori story, yes…
“I am concerned that TBL hasn’t made the change yet due to the fact that they don’t actually know what’s wrong?”
That’s because it is correct…the bogan knows not of ‘intents and purposes’, only ‘intensive purposes’, ‘cuppacino’, ‘ifso facto’, ‘ect, ect, ect’.
LOL. I see the entire preceding discussion on this was quite beyond you.
I’m afraid not. I’m eceeding your threshold for humour, no doubt.
LOL. No, exceeding my ability to deal with lesser people.
Goodness, any chance the Herald Sun don’t post your commentry because Shazza from Sunshire presented a more intelligent point of view. I think TBL is getting beyond you, for all intensive purposes, if you can’t discern wit.
LOL. I think TBL is getting beyond you if you call your contributions “wit”.
No, I’m calling TBL’s contributions wit…your speed reading course seems to have been a waste of money, you’ll have to cancel your Age subscription and stick to the Herald Sun’s larger font size.
Alas Fiona… you should ‘of’ seen that coming !!
“for all extreme purposes”
It was the funniest part of today’s topic.
Yes, I think all in Sunbury would have noticed the reference to malapropisms. I guess some feel the need to point it out.
Some people just need attention Benny…Sunbury’s a long way from cyber-Toorak.
“all in Sunbury” … LOL!!! That is the penultimate malapropism!
that’s funny.
Someone finally noticed it. Nice one with ‘penultimate’ as well, touché.
Trolling is a art.
a art well worth you’re learning?
Meanwhile from the Bible of boganinity
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/gallery-e6frf9bo-1225833594197?page=1
You really picked the perfect picture to illustrate the article. Not one, not two, but THREE article headlines, all spreading fear of things the bogan doesn’t think it can be blamed for.
If you stop believing http://www.news.com.au (nicknamed “nonews” on some of the other forums I go to) is an actual news site, and you start treating it as a spoof site (especially with the comments) then it can be very entertaining site…
There is only really a problem if you start to think that anything you read in there has any basis on reality.
I guess if one thought of news.com.au as being a more x-treme version of The Onion, that might work. Although you’re more likely to accidentally stumble across real news on the latter rather than the former …
So I should consider it satire and laugh instead of knowing that some (bogue types) actually believe it and feeling violently ill?
Yes and no, laugh at the bad writing (I refuse to use the word journalism), and be scared that there are people out there that believe it is gospel.
Alas !! I say, have you tried the UK version? aka The Daily Mail. It is worth the price of admission just to read some of the comments! And they are be graded by other readers with red and green arrows! Truly journalism at its most X-treme!
The thing with The Daily Mail is that is appears to be ubiquitous. There are links to it on virtually every forum I frequent. Bear in mind that most posts relating to their links are along the lines of ‘wtf’ or ‘The Daily Fail strikes again’! It’s hilarious.
The Herald Sun is a fantastic publication – especially on slow-news-days…
The front page is the best way of summarizing the day…
If its got some skanky blonde on the front all dressed up =Last Night’s Sports Awards
If its got a dude with a beard (as posted above) = Terrorist Plot
If its got someone jumping into water = Its Summer
If its got someone on Front Cover & Back Cover (ie: after Brendan Fevola’s first game in Brisbane) = REALLY SLOW NEWS DAY
It doesn’t have to be a slow news day for the Hun to put Fev on the front and back page. It is simply an indication of the relative importance of the different aspects of the Bogue world.
Am I the only one who thinks a bogan wouldn’t be pushing the idea of a Liberal win at the next election? I thought K Rudd and Co were the saviours of the Bogan masses, or have I missed something?
I judge people based on their choice of newspaper. If I go to a persons house and there is a Telegraph sitting in plain view I immediately assume they’re an idiot.
This reminds me of something that Jack Marx once wrote: “A bong on a coffee tables immediately says one thing: This is not a house of achievement.”
I’m of the firm belief that Kevin has out Liberalled Liberal…no wonder they were forced to install Robert Menzie’s spawn as party head, without 1950’s values at the healm of the Liberal party there would be little to distinguish one party from the other. Except for Tony Abbott’s ears.
‘KRudd money’ endeared the ALP to the bogan masses more than anything they’ve done before (including Bob Hawke’s America’s Cup jacket and ‘boss is a bum’ comment).
Anyway, back on the topic. I can’t help but gape at http://www.news.com.au every morning for it’s sheer factless sensationalism. My partner and I while away the hours, counting how many times the journalists repeat themselves in one story, trying to make the reader believe more than one person is pushing their angle. Of course, I’ve rarely had a ‘readers comment’ accepted online, as the editor doesn’t like their fiction writers to be shown up with crazy concepts like facts, or a balanced point of view. Entertaining nonetheless.
I thought the way that the http://www.news.com.au website worked was that it took bits and pieces from articles taken from other online newspaper sites, thats why they have links to the original article (be it from The Age or The Australian or whatever) that’s also why the articles often don’t make sense because sometimes the bits and pieces don’t fit together.
In any case I like the “Wierd” and “Technology” sections of the site, but I certainly wouldn’t rely on it to shape my political awareness or daily water-cooler conversation…although sometimes if I find a hilarious headline on the site I “share” it on facebook, one such example was “Julia Gillard says Garrett can’t be in every roof” the idea of Peter Garrett visiting and taking up residence in people’s roofs came to mind and made me giggle.
How can we sleep when our rooves are burning…
haha
Nice One! I’m in tears. Thanks Bogue..
Miranda Devine beat you to it –
Oh gawd, some idiot on Twitter is stealing my material?
Time to don the tin foil hat Bogue.
That’s what Paul Mcdermott is saying about somebody on TBL
Nothing’s sacred anymore.
Short circuitry, must have some… short circuitry
A rather narrow minded bogan view Goose. I have the Saturday Adelaide Advertiser in plain view because I am looking for a house to buy.
The Australian, The Independent or Fin Review can’t help me there.
I apologise, this is a point I had not considered. You could however just remove the real estate section to avoid the social stigma attached to such a paper.
Either that or move from Adelaide. I’d go with the second option.
There isn’t the social stigma attached to the Advertiser as much as the Murdoch press interstate as we don’t have a local alternative.
Perhaps also because it is the bogan birthplace of News Ltd and you cannot remove yourself from that even if you tried.
That said, I disappear for two months of the year from here for some R&R but I am at least two years away from making that move permanent.
LOL. And because it’s Adelaide, the FAR west of Melbourne: kind of like an X-tremely bogan western suburb of Melbourne..
Too true. With an even bigger inferiority complex.
LOL. To be fair, they do have a lot to feel inferior about…
We even have our own Toorak, which we scoff and point at as well.
LOL. Perth?
You mean that mining town near Bali? Good lord no.
What makes me laugh is that some of Adelaide’s high-end suburbs have had their names hijacked by McMansion farms in other states: Burnside, Springfield and Stirling spring to mind.
or, to use News Ltd’s own terminology, Adelaide’s ‘leafy’ suburbs.
Vice versa, I think you’ll find. Sorry, as an extremely over-confident South Australian apologist (although not a native), I do enjoy correcting the tendancy for uneducated Eastern seaboard types to overstate their sense of superiority over poor old Adelaide.
Not really, they just think they are a ‘world class city’ when in actual fact it is just a big country town. The sooner they come to terms with it the better off they will be.
LOL. They do have their own King and Queen though: Lleyton and Bec. And a lot of hot days. And that’s about it.
So, you’re looking for a farm amr? Face it, you’re nostalgic and have The Advertiser because you enjoy reading last week’s headlines.
It is a very bogan trait you have there, casting aspersions on someone with whom you have never met.
BTW, not looking for a farm but a house in the town…
In little ole Adelaide that is the same thing, we still have horse and cart to carry our inferiority complex around in.
Well, I’ll rasie my bogan trait of casting aspersions (one a share, only to a lesser extent, with your good self) and see your superiority complex. A house in the town? There’s a ‘town’?
Yes, where the corner store and the pub are. Across the road from the Methodist church and the undertaker which is next door to the blacksmith.
I even heard we might get a tram soon. Though I don’t know where it will take us to.
Oh, the tram takes you all the way to the other side of town, to the town hall (Entertainment Centre), past the gambling house (Skycity), the shopping mall and the post office. 🙂
I was hoping it would go all the way to where I currently live, where the ships come in, before I have to move.
Oh well, need to keep the horse for a little longer yet.
Didn’t you hear, they’re building a canal! Plans were forwarded to council in 1836 and are awaiting approval, pending a backlog of entry visa approvals, the Victoria Racecourse redevelopment approval, whether Michael Harbison is awarded the contract to build the Canal Carpark and whether Michael Aitkinson believes any of this will attract any personal negative feedback…should be ready some time next century.
You forgot Victoria Square. It has been waiting for the upgrade since Queen Victoria died.
We Adelaide people do not have an inferiority complex, we feel sorry for the Eastern Seaboarders because they have their head so far up their own arse they don’t realise anywhere else exists.
Hah. I worked in Adelaide for over a year. All the locals could ask me was, “Why did you move to Adelaide?”
Anybody with an education takes the opportunity to move out of Adelaide, thus leaving bitter people – much like yourself, Simon, – to comment on things you nothing of.
LOL. Game, Set, Match – not Adelaide.
Our city cleanses itself of trash. What by the way do I know nothing of?
You keep telling yourself that DP, rest assured Simon, myself and all those horrible arty Adelaide intelligenti are far away from you, and you can continue to impress your friends at TAFE.
LOL. You mean the University of Adelaide?
No Fiona, DP was at pains to point out he was from your side of the world. Perhaps Toorak College for the Challenged would be more his go.
…where DP worked as a cleaner?
Friggin hilarious. DP hello are you out there? Nope must be on smoko.
Fiona wants another latte, make it snappy!
Remember it has to be soy.
I was too harsh on Adelaide. I do have very fond memories – of leaving the place.
BTW, I never actually said that there were any intelligenti in Adelaide to get away from.
All good fun DP, Bogue and I comprise the intelligenti here. We were so sorry to see you leave.
No, of course…all the ‘intelligenti’ (like Jacky O and David Hicks) have all moved interstate.
I know it’s tough to make friends when you’ve only got a 12 month stint in Yatala, but surely you can’t blame the residents of Adelaide for that.
Intelligenti = intelligentsia + cognoscenti? Or are only the intelligent Italian people of Adelaide far away?
Don’t you wish that was true, you convict cast off.
amr: there’s this really spiffy new invention called ‘the internet’. They have these things that go on your computer … I think they’re called web sites or something like that. Anyway, I’m sure there are a couple of those web site thingies that specialise in showing houses for sale.
This is going to sound really crazy, but I’ve somehow managed to buy a house without having to stoop as low as to buy The Agoniser. Dizzy stuff.
My eyes don’t like the internet thingy scrolling for too long. Can only handle short stints on TBL as well.
Far prefer to be sitting outside drinking coffee somewhere browsing the ads anyway.
You could always use property websites. They are much better than the newspapers for the Sydney property market
Goose – I completely agree…
The Age – You think you’re sophisticated, and only read the age because you don’t want to be perceived as a moron…
The Australian – You’re arrogant and probably picked up this paper by mistake, thinking it was the Age
The Herald Sun – You’re not too bright, and were suckered in by the photo and headline on the cover. You also like reading the paper in the toilet.
Mx – You’re a tightarse, and didn’t want to break the bank by purchasing a ‘real’ newspaper
The Big Issue – You got sneezed on by a homeless guy selling this at Flinders St, and just wanted him to go away
LOL. I read the Financial Review of course.
…and the Trading Post.
I thought your financial advisor would read it for you. Or does Chef multitask?
Alas !! I never thought Fi would be concerned with all the petty squabbles of the outside world to bother herself with such trivial matters as financial planning..
Horse and Rider Magazine and Polo Monthly for our Fi.
It has been established elsewhere that one of my favourite rags – The Economist – is for wankers. Where does the Guardian stand in these stakes?
LOL. Also for wankers, but preceded by “pretentious”.
…with Toorak inserted in between.
Sounds painful.
If you worried about what people thought of you because of what paper you read, you would end up reading nothing at all.
In Perth we only have “The West Australian”.
It is a disgraceful rag filled with nothing but populist BS and coloured Harvey Norman ads. If you take out the RE, Motoring, Fashion, etc sections you are left with about 10 pages – 4 of them about the Eagles, 3 about the Dockers.
No self respecting West Aussie reads “The Australian” because it is about Eastern States’ issues that we know nothing about, there are too many big words and the articles are very confusing as they are not about RE prices, footy…or the “MINING BOOM”.
and West Aussies don’t know how to read a broadsheet.
You should see them try – amusing.
Geelong Advertiser-looked like the Herald Sun
Telegraph readers tend to accuse all Labor voters as being elitist leftist scum.
So I would say you have missed something Goose.
I think there was a political shift about 5 years ago when Labor moved more to the centre and Liberal moved further right.
I would say Labor is what the Liberal party were 7 years ago and Liberal can’t decide what they are any more.
In the interim, the average bogan voter will continue to be outraged on a daily basis by some massive issue fuelled by Bolt or Akerman spite. An issue which they will have forgotten all about the following day.
While I agree with the shift in political party stand points (especially now Abbott is leader of the Libs), my experience (and certainly the results of the last election) led me to believe that Labor was the party of choice with the Bogan. Don’t they stand up for the Aussie Battler against the big bad corporations and what not. Maybe that was old Bogan, not nouve Bogan? I have to admit that Politics is not my strong point, especially the voting mind of the Bogan.
In addition it seems that everytime the Telegraph runs a campagin against something (Hoon drivers, underage/binge drinking) Labor governments seem to jump to attention and try to be seen doing “something”.
I think bogans are spread across both Labor and Liberal parties…
Those who read (and agree with/believe) Bogue Ltd must surely be of the Liberal persuasion as I’ve noted for many years that their stories err on the side of the Liberal party, especially when they were in power… These (Liberal) bogans are the ones who’ll happily believe whatever the media tells them and base their opinions solely on such.
Of course, many of the Labor bogans are the “Aussie battlers” who disagree with everything in Bogue Ltd (despite believing most of it).
To suggest that the Australian bogan would fit neatly into either Labor voters or Liberal voters is as ridiculous as suggesting all bogans are Ford supporters or all Bogans are Holden supporters!
Correct. Both parties fight aggressively over the bogan vote, and they each end up luring some of them. TBL
Liberal and Labor. Ford and Holden. They’re both just Blue and Red to me. Funny that.
surely you must be joking.News Limited is the Last Castle standing against an ALP dominated media and even they are only there as a token too the onslaught of generic leadership that has infested this great land-Australia is the only Western Democracy that has compulsory voting.Bogans don”t vote if they don’t have too.
You are right about that Brad.
If we could scrap the hypocritical compulsory voting (we live in a free society with free speech…but it is illegal to not vote – WTF?) we could reduce the amount of clout the bogan vote has. Politicians may stop competing so hard to buy the bogan vote.
alas what is there too do,get yourself on local council now theres an idea?
I think Howard had the aspirational bogan firmly in his court. In fact, he probably created them as his own electoral base which was political genius regardless of what you thought of him otherwise. The bogan has a tendancy to jump on the winner bandwagon though and Rudd has done a pretty good job of pandering to their outrages as expressed by News Limited so the lines are probably a bit more blurred at the moment. The battle for ‘middle australia’ and ‘working families’ is just political speak for bogans.
Yep, spot on.
Although, have we almost come up with another TBL thread? “Being A Swinging Voter”
The type of Bogan that appears on the front cover of News Ltd papers or on ACA/TT during election time, arms folded, furrowed brow, and asks “what will this government do for ME?”
Thankyou for the clarification and education.
Labor’s more classic bogan, Liberal’s more nouveau bogan.
bolta-its funny cause its true! ha ha
in Rupert’s UK stable, The Sun features tits, celebrity trash stories and 57 pages of football, in The Daily Mail, you get outrage in the form of immigrants, terrorists, chavs, dole bludgers and single mums in Essex, with the Herald Sun, you get a combination of both (except tits)
Don’t forget the Daily Mail’s never-ending quest to classify everything on Earth as either cancer-causing or cancer-curing (or one then later the other).
I’m sure I’ve said this before in another comments section, but I must reiterate…
I used to read the Feral Scum online to get my head around what was infuriating the masses on any given day, and paid particular attention to the readers comments just to gauge public (read bogan) sentiment. Every now and then, I would become so angered by the comments being posted that I would write my own comment back trying to talk some sense into these people. They rarely ever got published, and when they did, nobody would acknowledge them (I think this was because they were logical and therefore went over peoples heads). I soon became depressed and disillusioned with the world…. that was until I heard about TBL.
Since then, I have spent my spare time here at TBL, amongst like-minded readers, appreciating the comments and the sarcasm and the sense of community that TBL provides. I now laugh during the day, instead of getting angry with the general public, and I have some hope that the world is not as bad/racist/stupid/alarmist/gullible as I once thought.
Thank you TBL. Thank you. 🙂
Yes I too have noticed that they don’t publish comments of reason or fact… But the “Your a dickhead john” comments always seem to make it through…
“But the “Your a dickhead john” comments always seem to make it through…”
Especially if it’s misspelt. 😉
It all seems very 1984; what you have to realise is that fighting the proletariat is an unwinnable battle as an outer party member, for an opponent who wont listen to reason cannot and will not allow themselves to be subjected to ideas that would shift the way they think and what they rationalise as their worldly beliefs.
Just like how the outer party is stuck in their own rut in the belief of their own superiority. Real power and influence comes only from within the inner party. So that’s what you have to aspire to kids!
And always remember, that it is the proletariat who has the raw power in this world, for if the world ever fell into extreme chaos they would come to look for you first.
A glorious victory today for the coalition forces on the Afghan front.
“Sense of Community”?? How many posts have you read on TBL, it’s like a CBD knife fight on here at times.
I’ve read all of the blog posts (even though some readings were retrospective). Let me explain the sense of community comment: the majority of TBL readers tend to appreciate the observations that TBL makes; the in-fighting that occurs in the comments section is generally aimed at trolls (I’m looking at you, Fiona of Toorak! 🙂 )and people who are reading the blog for the first time and take offence at the observations made. People like Peter of Kensington (sorry to point the finger of blame PoK, but you do bang on a bit) who just come on to post comments about how elitist us TBL lovers are are conveniently dismissed as an idiotic minority. Other bickering amongst readers is easily attributed to small differences of opinion on, for instance, which newspaper is more bogan-focussed (which is really just the tom-ah-to:tom-ay-to argument). Hence, what is left is an overwhelming sense of community.
I remember on the day James Brown died the front page of the Telegraph featured a story about that bizarre pop-song Brett Lee released…shame!
Should have been an article about domestic violence awareness, agreed Jo…shame eh!
Just having to correct your article; Novocastrians aren’t actually privy to their own piece of News Ltd gold, the closest we get is Sydney’s Telegraph..
I do occasionally have a concern with your own, distinctly left agenda though TBL. For the record, there are some of us out here (at least one that I know of anyway) who are non-bogue and have an opposing political stance (that isn’t motivated by throwing out boat people or being an aussie battler)..
I just like that Newcastle was finally mentioned, it is after all the Mecca for Bogans (new and old alike) except for Queensland, which in its entirety is also the Mecca for bogans.
Sure is. That’s exactly why my family fled south of the border, to mingle with the Mexicans.
ALAS !! I knew it was just a matter of time before the ‘Red-Neck Queenslander’ jibes started to fly…
And yes… one stroll down the Queen St Mall on a weekend would confirm just that. (Or the Brisbane Domestic Airport Virgin Airlines departure lounge)
For ever bogan suburb in Sydney, you can find 3 in Brisbane.
And that those bogan suburbs are largely populated by southern (and Kiwi and other imported) bogues…
Ah, yes, but one could argue that said departure lounge is full of Bogans going home…
Alas !! but.. indeed AlyssaKT… very good point on both counts!
Yet alas.. upon my latest visit to my hometown (known by some as Bris-Vegas… a potential standalone article in its own right) I did notice the BMI (Bogan Mass Index) of the city had risen somewhat. Then again, that was during the Boxing Day sales and New Years period … when bogans tend to venture to the inner city areas more frequently.
Sad but true, Antosha; Brisbane and the Gold Coast (especially the suburbs in between) are veritable hotspots for bogan breeding.
However, much to many of the ‘more sophisticated’ southern city dwellers’ surprise, these people are rarely ‘Queenslanders’ per se – merely bogans who’ve moved north from your bogan areas… To ‘tropical’ Ipswich, Logan, Woodridge, Inala, Labrador, Nerang…
Don’t worry, you won’t have a chance to miss them; they have ACA on speed dial…
There seems to be a concerted effort to gentrify and de-bogue Newcastle, with all the waterfront development.
Although Newcastle West still looks like a bombed-out ghost town.
Gav, I will remind you that this is Things Bogans Like – not Things Bogans Exclusively Like…
Perhaps you actually have an educated opinion… more often than not the bogue is happy to go along with the popular opinion – or rebel against the popular opinion (along with everybody else)…
Rest easy with John Stuart Mill’s bastardised words on the subject, Gav: not all conservatives are stupid, but my god, most stupid people are conservative…
That’s quite a line.. I would recommend (or not recommend as the case may be) an excursion to Newcastle, one of the safest and most entrenched Labour areas in the country, so you can see the bogans (both new and old as Jo said above) in their natural environment.
While they still may believe in many of the conservative right wing values people refer to on here (see hating immigrants etc) they definitely are very very left (though not in the obnoxious student lefty style, more in the i vote as my parents voted and their parents before them because im too stupid to form my own opinion)
The West Australian isn’t a News Ltd paper. It’s independent, owned by West Australian Newspapers Inc. The biggest shareholder of WAN is Kerry Stokes (of Channel Seven).
Amended. We swapped it for the NT News, which we’re a bit upset that we originally omitted, to be honest. It’s the greatest bogan chronicle in the free world. TBL
Good old NT News, it’s often my 2nd port of call for online humor after TBL. I currently am living in Darwin due to work commitments and the NT News is treated as gospel by the locals and as umor by those of us new to the Territory. One of the first things I was told when i got up here was that the front page of the NT News often had one of the 3 C’s: Crocs, Cyclones and Corpses. Very rarely is that proved wrong.
This post gives a lot more credit to the bogan than it deserves. The bogan, I believe, only goes as far as the headline, thinks it understands the rub of the article, has a well informed opinion on the subject and then proceeds to the comments section to ensure its voice is heard.
It then reads back other peoples’ comments and tries to pass it off as their own. They only read Andrew Bolt in an effort to have their climate skepticism reinforced.
Andrew Bolt makes my blood boil, when I finish my journalism degree I hope to be the exact oppposite of him.
Um, fine line between love and hate. You don’t have posters of him around the share house do you?
an extremist lefty hack?
No, a university graduate.
LOL. Oh snap!
Great as usual! Though, bogans reading anything at all IS a bit of a stretch. 🙂
Bogan’s love The Chaser’s War on Everything…but they also love A Current Affair and Today Tonight, who have often run anti-Chaser stories…confusing no? oh The Bogan is paradoxical creature…..
LOL. I suspect they are less paradoxical than you might think. “The Chaser” appeals to the younger bogue, most likely those that study at the lesser tertiary institutions they attend. Their parents, however, form the main demographic for “ACA” and “TT”.
Where does Stephen Colbert fit into this?
LOL. He was mildly amusing in “Strangers with Candy” but far less so now. Appeals exclusively to American liberals, or those that wish to be so.
Colbert would probably feature on a Things Wankers Like blog.
LOL. You mean this blog: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/ ?
And this entry: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/28/35-the-daily-showcolbert-report/ ?
I would have thought the bogan’s favourite satirical left-of-centre affairs based comedy would have been ‘Good News Week’? A program based on ill-informed and over-confident pub conversations between 4 ‘arty’ bogan types.
Good News Week picked up where Chaser’s left off I imagine, I don’t think the two shows crossed over each other by much
Actually GNW is in it’s second or third incarnation. Was around pre chaser.
To their credit, they haven’t lost their potency with each passing series, principally because they were never funny to begin with.
Bogue scores! Mc Dermotts strongest point is his absoloute belief that he is funny in the face of all available evidence.
he needs his partner in crime-you know the dont forget your toothbrush guy
Richard was actually the key ingredient to DAAS, without him the other two would have just looked like idiots e.g. DFYTB & GNE
Yes but I think the chaser’s war was on during GNWs break (before they resurfaced on TEN)
I keep forgetting I’m considered young here
When I moved to Perth a few years ago I nearly cried the first time I perused the West Australian. I suppose it shouldn’t have shocked me given that I soon found out Perth was a breeding ground for cashed up bogues (something I was naively unaware of). It was just another of what I liked to call a “Perth Moment”, along with the supermarkets never being open, no decent coffee and ugly architecture. Not that I think The Age is an amazing newspaper but at least in Melbourne if you want to read the paper in a cafe you have that option. Thank God I am back now.
Most of the time the A3 spread is covered with advertisements and left with just enough room for a 4cm by 3cm article. Disgusting newspaper, it would have to be the worst in Australia.
“Perth Moments”. I like it. My dad has lived there almost 16 years, and even now he still has them. I’m constantly having them whenever I visit.
LOL. Well, I don’t want to argue with you in an area where you clearly have expertise, so I’ll just agree…
LOL – boges read news ltd papers to get read about and get infuriated by mindless drivel, and let the world know by posting rants on-line, whilst the “educated independent thinkers” go to TBL to read about and get infuriated by mindless drivel, , and let the world know by posting rants on-line. boges are infiltrating all aspect of society even TBL…
but the difference is news ltd is a billion dollar empire, and TBL is just a web site run by some overeducated formers arts students, who work in a cafe as they are too cool to “sell out” and get a real job, well that and the fact that daddy still pays all the bills…..
You’re very wrong. We find it endlessly amusing that people like yourself feel the need to decide that we’re arts grads who work in a cafe. The style and slant of the blog obviously makes you feel uncomfortable to the point that you need to dismiss us as people who couldn’t possibly be successful. Adorable. TBL
You’re very wrong. We find it endlessly amusing that people like yourself feel the need to decide that we’re arts grads who work in a cafe. ”
sorry i was just making a general unsubstanstiated usumption, i thought that was the whole premise of this website/blog.
“The style and slant of the blog obviously makes you feel uncomfortable ”
I dont really care about the blog, i read all of the papers (online) and male my own opions on things, if i cant make my mind up i usually go to a random blog and let them make the decision for me.
“to the point that you need to dismiss us as people who couldn’t possibly be successful”
so success is defined as judging self worth by taking obvoious pot shots at society and then sitting back with warm self satisfaction that a whole heap of people “on the ‘net” agree with you.
LOL. Are you saying people who work in a cafe aren’t successful?
Yeah, have to agree with you on that.
dont even go there fionz
I’ve always found this amusing, how can someone be overeducated? Is their an arbitrary level of intelligence that people should aspire to?
Intelligence and Education are two very different things Mr Frazer.
Ever come across the word “savant”?
What has intelligence to do with education?
Which are you Trav?
I think I can guess…it’s the frustration that gives it away.
overworked under paid pleb, who can afford to be a new vouge boge, and has to be contend with being a boge classic (aka bogan v1.0)
Go Trav, or you could become a pretentious wanker like the rest of the posters, myself included of course.
well i’ve got the wanker part down-pat, just have to work on the pretentious part, might have to start taking notice of what fiona from toorak says.
You will certainly head in the right direction my friend.
overworked under paid pleb, who CAN’T* afford to be a new vouge boge, and has to be contend with being a boge classic (aka bogan v1.0)
*edited for accuracy
LOL. You’re not quite there yet – keep going…
any chance of a loan, to speed the process up? if you make it two years interest free i’ll be well on the way.
LOL. I believe your good friend Mr Norman will be able to help you out there…
I’m afraid Fiona’s witty retort account is empty, cheap quips at posters’ spelling are all she can afford…the comedy cheques are bouncing faster than an exercising ‘Biggest Loser’ contestant’s man-boobs.
Nah bogue, just another caught in the Fi bogan net 😉
Excellent post TBL –
The Trav, please remain silent, your ignorance is showing.
If I read the term ‘nanny state’ used again in the online comments sections of the aforementioned rags, i will top myself.
Any controversy involving the government, protectionism and conflicts of interest would immediately be tagged ‘Nanny State-gate’
I thought that the aforementioned rags were all for the ‘nanny state’. Again my ignorance might be showing. Everytime I have glanced at the Telegraph they seem to be imploring that “someone please think of the children”.
I think they put a bet both ways, Goose. By opposing the nanny state in some articles, and calling for the government to “do something” in others, it panders to both ends of the bogan spectrum.
Quite correct, James. Again, I’ve made this comment in relation to previous TBL comment sections, but I just can’t let it go. Some classic examples of their hypocrisy are as follows:
– Booze-fuelled violence = The government and police aren’t doing enough, alcohol needs to be banned, publicans should be jailed, etc;
– Tax $$ spent on the installation of CCTV cameras = nanny-state;
– Fatal car crashes = the government and police and the justice system need to do something to stop road deaths;
– Speed cameras = The government and police are money-hungry, revenue raising bureaucrats;
– someone is murdered = the police are useless;
– a police officer is injured in the line of duty = police are the most understaffed, underpaid, underfunded, under appreciated workers in town.
I could go on, but I’m afraid I’m already slipping back into the disillusioned/depressed frame of mind that I used to have when I was a regular reader of the Feral Scum readers comments.
The phrase ‘so called’ seems to get a good work out on many websites. “These so called professionals have no idea….”, “These so called experts….”. “These so called activists are….”. So called, so called, so called.
ooh, yes, good observation.
There has been quite an entertaining debate going on today on the HS readers comments, in relation to a story about Miss Beverly Hills 2010 speaking out against same-sex marriage. Here’s a handy little link for those who have a few minutes to spare:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/miss-beverly-hills-lauren-ashley-speaks-out-against-same-sex-marriage/comments-e6frf96x-1225833811168
I like to subscribe to the theory that every time HS readers start debating creationism vs evolution, somewhere a fairy dies… absolutely no pun intended there.
I agree with this one. It’s all the knee-jerk brigade wanting outrageous restrictions on P plate drivers after another News Ltd. generated campaign over a young drivers’ death, or they’re calling for the legal drinking age to be raised to 21 because some dodgy new figures show x amount of teenagers binge drink.
Bogans love Kevin Rudd and want the government to nurture their children for them, because they are too lazy to do the parenting themselves!
Andrew Bolt’s my favourite. No-one fires the furnaces of bogan rage better Andy B.
as i said its funny cause its true
Oh yeah, the Dolt is an absolute hoot. Ever see him on q & a or insiders? He possesses this permanent “oh oh, there’s soilage down below” expression on his face and every time he tries to get a word in he’s shut down.
The only thing funnier than the Dolt are his minions in The Hun – “Andrew Bolt is spot on with…..”
Does he really believe all he writes?
TBL, is there any possibility of having the subscription emails actually link to the comment they relate to on this page, please? As each comment is not numbered, it’s time-consuming to find which reply is to which comment…
I don’t think we have the capacity to change those WordPress settings, sorry. TBL
Thanks anyway, TBL.
News Ltd is like the Jerry Springer of journalism. Salacious insipid rubbish.
Rupert the bad bear is the biggest closet bogue around.
Hey TBL – Is there a page dedicated to King Jerry?? A hero in the eyes of every bogan surely..
Man, TBL, don’t tell me you like The Age. Please.
I think the key is to read from a number of different sources, and then make up your own mind. Personally, I read The Age, and also The Australian, AFR, Business Spectator, bits of the New York Times, Guardian, Crikey, and whatever else I get sent links to. I think that being exposed to a diversity of opinions is at least as important as the quality of one or two of the individual sources within that. TBL
Well yeah, reading and liking are two different things.
I tried that, then I read Flat Earth News by Nick Davies and despaired of journalism almost entirely. Assuming everything Nick Davies wrote about was accurately reported…
Just a question – are there any good sources of Australian news on the web? I mean, independant and non-biased and committed to covering issues in depth? I haven’t really found any although I haven’t really looked much after an attempt a few years ago.
These two sites might be worth a look.
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/
TBL
TBL?
If you go on facebook,you can get some interesting news stories from UNFree Media or the SBS News site.Dont bother with ABC Online on facebook,it caters for the bogans that dont accept that they are bogans.Similar stories to the weird section of News.com.au.Does make for interesting perusal of the comment section though.
Thanks, I’ll take a look at those. I have to say that one of the difficulties of running a news site (or TBL for that matter) these days must be that most people probably expect the right to be able to make comments on everything they read. Some how it lowers even the most thoughtful and best written article when you look to the comments section at the bottom and the first thing you read is “I’m not a racist but….” And these types of comments always seem to dominate – depressing.
“Do You Like Your News Limited?”
It confuses the bogans when i wear it.
I love how on news.com.au they’ve got the little tables at the bottom of the page that tell you the top articles on the News Ltd paper’s sites are. They’re with few exceptions hilarious indictments of the boganity of the city they’re based in. Except when there’s a murder going on, the top articles are inevitably something to do with “WAGs”, Ralph models, stabbings or alcohol, failing that reality television.
I don’t mind The Australian, though. Nothing wrong with a biased paper if you have the basic critical thinking skills to scrutinise the opinion and discern it from the fact.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/cctv-footage-shows-allegedly-drunk-mum-dropping-baby-on-ground-at-palmerston-bus-station/story-e6frf7jo-1225833802944
Drop it like’s it hot, drop it like it’s hot.
LOL. That’s white man’s concrete she’s dropping that baby on!
Totally – And… she should be more protective of her own interests too. If anything were to happen to that baby or if it was indeed taken by a govt agency for its own protection, it would grossly reduce the amount of petty cash allocated to her from K-Moneys welfare kitty..
Not uncommon out at Palmerslum
Ladies and gentlemen, I point you in the direction of the Northern Territory News. I keep this particular story in my Favourites menu in a folder entitled “THE BEST NEWS STORY EVER”: http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2008/08/21/5350_ntnews.html
Actually the index is spot on. I have been to Halls Creek many times (I lived in Derby and Fitzroy Crossing) and if you stand at the top of a hill you can see that you are in the arse end of the universe.
How could the Index be correct Simon? The key indicators of home ownership, education, health, crime rate are ‘pretty dumb’, as any idiot knows everyone aspires to a fulfilling lifestyle of fishin’ at the boich.
No beach at Halls Creek Bogue!
great place for the little-uns too grow up so they can move up in the world and become trawler fisherman
“Places were ranked according to 10 key indicators, including levels of home ownership, detached housing, health, property-related crime, high school enrolment, income, and volunteering”
Who cares about that stuff? It’s whether you can sit on the beach and have a beer that counts.
The best source of un-intentional humor around, the NT News.
I used to work for WankBest back before the GFC unleashed epic fail upon their erstwhile parent company’s business model. They used to release these bullshit surveys every few weeks to try and get some free publicity. It bloody worked, too.
Whilst HBOS had NFI how to run a bank, they sure as hell knew stacks about advertorial.
What’s a bogan? Surely you’re not so dimwitted as to be applying to a mass a simple label which supposedly carries all the necessary connotations to describe that group.
Think about it. You seem to be very clever, so why are you dealing in stereotypes?
ooh well you made it to 91 before i fundamentally disagreed with you mr things bogans like.
the bogan elected labor party and their empowering idea of saving the world through emissions trading is far more bogan than andrew bolt
FAIL.
Bogues are by nature socially conservative which Howard exploited for many years whilst running his economically conservative agenda, something Bogues would definitely not find palatable. They didn’t know / care what he was doing until he took their rights away at work. All Labor had to do was say vote for us and we’ll give you your rights back at work. Pretty simple.
baa baa
You forgot teacher bashing. Teacher bashing is a Courier Mail staple, and if it goes two or three weeks without anything bad actually occurring then they will drag up past stuff and recycle it. Even if it’s not a teacher problem, they will find some way of linking it. I suppose hating education and anything that goes with it is a Bogan past-time of old.
Should just be “a Bogan past-time”. *sigh* That’s what not rereading will get you :p
Or “pastime”, even. TBL
True. 🙂 Thanks, again with the not checking. Bet the Courier Mail could make a two page spread out of that one!
Im about to tear my hair out re: celebrity stories passing as news ,it drives me insane
You should do a post on climate change denialism.
I’ve gotten really frustrated with the number of times I’ve tried to post corrections to bogan’s denialist misinformation on news ltd comments pages, only for the moderater not to allow them to be posted.
Sorry Jen, that is not true, I’m sure I recognise your handle and the misspelling of the word “moderater ”
Be truthful now, please
ALAS !!! Umm Jen… one can be skeptical about man-made climate change theories (because that is what they are…. theories)… without necessarily being a bogan.
TBL, you should do a post on people who think other people’s opinions are wrong because they differ from their own.
Hear, hear Antosha.
And while he is at it, TBL might broaden the definition of a bogan a little.
Why not include the latte sipping (soy maybe) pseudo intellectual, pseudo greeny in there as well?
Thank you LouMac. I agree.
The point I was making in reference to Jen’s post is that it is not only bogans who think they are always right.
Isn’t AM talkback radio the font of bogue knowledge? I used to work with a woman who would cite Alan Jones as a reference during all of our “political discussions” ie all middle-easterners are crims etc.
Surely Hadlee, Jones, Laws et al deserve a TBL post at some point
This is one thing Adelaide can boast: we have a world-class talkback host named Bob Francis. He makes the likes of Alan Jones and Steve Price look like 1st year Arts students in comparison. Bogans – irrespective of age or level of boganity – love listening to him, even when he calls them dickbrains and wankers. Funny stuff.
Surely if talkback radio gets a TBL guernsey then ACA and Today Tonight have to be the very next cab off the rank.
Bob Francis, lol, he’s one angry bogan. Getting paid to spit vitriol everyday. How surreal.
Where’s the post about pokies.
And just what is the Novocastrian News Ltd offering? The only daily is a Fairfax and the weekly freebies are not News Ltd titles.
I used to work for News, this post rings true true true. The only thing that matters is selling advertising. Everything else is cast aside.
Oh my god, I just found this jewel of a comment on a news.com article about the Hamas militant assassinated by Mossad.
steve Posted at 11:13 AM Today
Sounds like escape goats and cover ups
Comment 45 of 120
And in response…
Camel Jockey of Melbourne Posted at 1:44 PM Today
To Steve, 11:13am: “Escape Goats”? Much better idea than a getaway car! BAHAHAHAHAHA!
Comment 120 of 120
Needless to say, I had a good chortle.
That is quite funny!
Camel Jockey should ‘of’ studied harder during English class at school.
The fact that the Daily Telegraph isn’t mentioned just highlights the Melbourne-centric nature of this blog. We have Bogans in Sydney too.
We know, Riet. But we write what we know – we did make the post about the umbrella company, and pointed out quite clearly that it happens almost everywhere. Hope you don’t feel too bad that we spend more of our time mocking Melbourne more than Sydney, though…TBL
And now the Bogan Outrage Bus is stopping at…
entertainment/television/sevens-my-kitchen-rules-recipe-choc-up/story-e6frfmyi-1225833949720
As a diligent journlist writing for Ninemsn.com.au, I feel real pain when I see my daily fight for the hearts and minds of the bogans ignored by this, the definitive guide to boganity.
Yes, News Limited has the global reach, the sinister international oligarch at its head, the unlimited resources. But our humble team here at Ninemsn has the passion of the underdog and the tenacity of a racing greyhound when it comes to creating ‘botched celebrity surgery’ slideshows, news articles about dead bogan toddlers and travel specials about how to complain to Jetstar. And we do all this selflessly, in order to keep our loyal Bogues looking at our pages long enough to see the desperately flashing and winking advertisements for Giant Cans, P!nk concert tickets and McMansions that surround them.
Please give us a mention! We’re sure our Pulitzer Prize is just lost in the post…
Haha, wonderful. We have an article about some PBL undertakings that is almost finished, and while it’s not about ninemsn, hopefully it helps you to feel that your work is important to bogans. TBL
ps the typo in my last comment is in no way a reflection of my stringent editorial standards!
..1
Facebook NT News goodness
Bless their little socks’o’cotton – they take the world’s most inanely parochial tabloid, and hook it up on Facebook, the bogues’ favouritest site EVER!
If only they were also giving away tickets to ultimate cage fighting – versus a croc. That would the the NT bogue’s match made in heaven.
NT news?
I thought that was just a parody by media watch!
my god.
NT News and Delta Goodrem
both real!
what a week.
The comments sections underneath most articles on the News Limited websites are always a hilarious selection of bogan malapropisms and a fine review of bogan views and attitudes. It always provides an entertaining and at the same time bleak insight into the bogan mind. On the occasions that it makes one feel bleak and one contributes to the comments section, one is invariably howled down as a liberal, elitist or bleeding heart.
…I stumbled across this page thinking it was gunna be things that bogans like…so far it’s all full of stuff like those students of the Yarts go on about; no spares for my Holdens, no “free to good home” puppies, nothing about the latest street cruiser moccies with water-proof soles…not even a piccie of the latest mullet fashion styling.
as a representative of the Bogsoisie I think I need to say this page is full o’ crap. I’m readin’ about malapropisms thinkin’ it’s a new disease coz it’s “sic” or somethin’…then I found out it was like somethin’ Yogi Berra said about electricians…probably to Boo-Boo.
Igomi here almost upset me, except luckily it only makes only one feel bleak and only one is howled down – it sure would be bad if it did that to everybody…
I think and I vote…informally, but that’s my option…