Bogan Bribe Watch – July 9th

9 07 2010

Who’s running the asylum?

The bogan loves a workplace prank, particularly when it’s perpetrated against a new employee who lacks the clout to provide the bogan with an adequate dosage of its own medicine. If the prank turns out to be poorly conceived or injurious, the bogan will tremulously yowl that its brilliant sense of humour was misinterpreted, and that the bogan itself is the true victim. This has proven to be a surprisingly effective method of simultaneously bullying and blame-shifting, and one that Xanana Gusmao has been on the receiving end of this week.

On behalf of the bogan, Julia Gillard has attempted to outflank Tony Abbott, man of ACTION, by picking on the undersized eight year old kid who lives over the back fence. Little Timor isn’t much good at English, he doesn’t have many tough mates, is flat broke, and is hence seen by the bogan as the ideal dumping ground for problems that the bogan wishes it didn’t have.  After numerous seconds of contemplation, it would seem that Gillard has concluded that trampling the sovereignty of weaker nations is an acceptable byproduct of soothing the bogan on the matter of immigration. With recent GPS measurements indicating that Australia’s tectonic plate is moving north at 67mm per year, the spatially intuitive bogan is becoming particularly anxious. Things that the bogan does not want in its backyard are switching from NIMBY to IMBY, and Australia’s failure to halt this lithospheric trend is believed to have cost former Defence Minister John Faulkner his job in early July.

While Gillard’s vow to “relentlessly” pursue the creation of a regional refugee processing centre has been carried abundantly in the media in order to soothe the bogan, neither East Timor’s President nor Prime Minister have committed themselves to the idea, with the Timorese Deputy PM declaring Gillard’s unilateral whiplomacy to be “very unlikely” to ever happen. With Tony Abbott presently stripping down to his Speedos, Labor knows it has mere days to concoct a refugee policy with as much maxtremity at Abbott’s plan to swim out to Ashmore Reef and revive the amateur boxing career of his youth. Circling news helicopters will deliver the bogan real time HD footage of the Opposition Leader surging out of the waves to administer an old fashioned ACTION beating to those who neither grew here NOR flew here.

Prime Minister Gillard has declared that Australia is “better than” the hotly contested race to the bottom that the bogan is currently commissioning on asylum seeker policy. However, her proposal to revive many of the structural elements of the Howard Government’s earlier efforts on the issue is an admission that she does not think she can induce the bogan to be better than much at all. There’s an election to win.


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9 07 2010
pickledvitriol

Pretty much spot on the money!

9 07 2010
Sibyl Ince

90% of Australia has nothing in it, yet the new skank wants to foist her problems onto a small neighbouring nation. Aint that typical.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Sibyl,
90% has nothing in it because there is nothing there but desert.
Would you live there?
Could you live thewre?
That is the sort of reasoning that idiots living in far away lands have ,but their excuse of ignorance is maybe excusible. Not so for a local.
I sugest you go join some do good bleeding heart refugee legal aid group.

9 07 2010
Sibyl Ince

James: Assume much?

A) I’m not local
B) I know it’s nothing but desert – duh!
C) I’m no bleeding heart, but you only have my word for that.

Australia is an island surrounded by a fuckload of water. Desalinate and populate. If a pipeline can be run across Alaska (arguably a harsher climate) for oil, a pipeline can be run across Australia for water. Honestly James, I thought you had an education.

9 07 2010
Will S

Haha, that sounds like stuff that talkback radio callers come up with. Where do you plan to get the energy from?

9 07 2010
Sibyl Ince

The big yellow is one source. Here, I had Muzza Identikit draw a sketch, so you’ll recognise him in future: O

You guys aren’t terribly creative thinkers, are you? There’s also that fuckload of water we ofttimes refer to as the sea? While you’re feeding pipelines across deserts…..

Come on, the Arabs can build entire, habitable islands at will and Strayans can’t even manage to harnass a bit of wavepower and solar power to feed through a pipeline halfway across the country??? Of course they can’t [insert eyeroll here]

Forget I mentioned it, it’ll be easier for you

9 07 2010
Sibyl Ince

Edit: ‘wavepower’ should read wind/wavepower’

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Sibyl,
Every where we try to put up wind turbines another lot of do gooders pop up. sacred site might kill the last of the xyz migrating dung beatles might kill bats at night dribble ad nausium
Wave power is difficult to harvest economically.
Tidal does work but requires damming of harbours and esturies and yep you got it more do gooders sacred site last refuge of the aquatic dung beatle

27 04 2011
Vviv2

There ARE alternatives Sibyl…..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power_in_Australia

Considering we aren’t ‘terribly creative’, perhaps we should work with what we have in abundance?

9 07 2010
SD

Well 1788 and later brought a whole lot of technology in (a point talkback is ever so keen to bring up to indicate their natural right to this place) and suddenly the continent was supporting a far greater population than it ever had.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

SD,
you point eludes me.

9 07 2010
SD

So well I agree with Sibyl – I have never got this “land can’t support population” bit. Even the water issue seems a beat up when you hear that restrictions involve not hosing down your driveaway. Even without water shortages that seems way too indulgent and lazy.

9 07 2010
Sibyl Ince

SD: It’s not foreigners or refugees Strayans are opposed to. It’s not even technology. It’s change.

9 07 2010
SD

Sibyl, that seems accurate.

But the boat people as an election issue is pretty sad -like a race to the bottom. Then again, pollies are the same everywhere.

9 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@Sibyl

“Strayans are opposed to. It’s not even technology. It’s change.”

Never a truer word has been spoken.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Pinkster,
finally a sensible comment.Mwah

27 04 2011
Vviv2

Then check the facts SD…. The LAND is not capable of FEEDING a large population without being irrevocably damaged/changed. It is not farm-able soil….It’s DESERT! Water’s great….tried EATING it?
At the rate our arable land is being sold off to other counties, (for THEIR tables),we will be totally dependent on importing the vast majority of our food within 50 years…. Yep, you can sit in your townhouse in the middle of Lake Eyre & wonder if your grandchildren will thank you….

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Will, that is what i just said below but seriously we have the uranium ,go nuclear, these days it is safe and cheap.
Realy we should mine the uranium use it and reproces it. For all overseas customers we should sell fuel rods on a lease or loan basis. They sen them back for us to reprocess and the get new ones.
That way we get the value added and we controll the use of the uranium and we make mega bucks.
Only one problem. It is Too Sensible

9 07 2010
Shirley M

Only one problem? I’d say finding a safe and responsible means to deal with the waste is a pretty big problem.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Shirly M,Some 20 years ago the CSIOR developed a process to turn neculear wast into a synthetic ultra hard rock. The trade name is Synroc and it works. The rock then can be droppped down deep bore holes to stay ther until (insert diety of choice) ends it all.Again , common sense dosent come in to this do gooders stir up emotions and let reality get pushed aside.
Some day they are the people who will have to live with out power or water or Krispy bloody Kremes.

9 07 2010
Shirley M

I’m aware of synroc JH, and as I understand it, chucking this stuff in big holes in the ground still poses a risk to the environment, just far less so that nuclear waste in liquid form.

I’m all for finding alternative energy solutions, I’m just not convinced nuclear is the way to go.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Shirl,
Everything poses a risk, dont forget most say our largest and most immediate is caused by fosil fuels.
Me I would as much see the do gooders freeze in a cave, no power no lights no heating. just like the good old days
oh and no risk to the environment.

9 07 2010
Shirley M

Define ‘do-gooder’.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Shirl,
Good call we all should define our terms.
To me a do gooder is some one with a shallow appreciation of a problem interfearing in a loud and overbearing way to obtain their idea of an immediate solution

9 07 2010
Shirley M

Well JH, I would say that you have a shallow appreciation of the refugee ‘problem’, which you are communicating in a loud and overbearing way, but I can’t see how that makes you a do-gooder. Perhaps because you have no idea of any kind of solution whatsoever.

I think a definition of ‘do-gooder’ from your point of view that would be more accurate is anyone who has an opinion that you do not personally hold, which upholds principles that reflect concern for the greater good.

9 07 2010
Tone

Coca-Cola to release ‘Mother’ in 1.25 litre bottles? Sorry, wrong kind of energy.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Sibyl,
Desalinate is great but it requires bulk amounts of electricity so until this country gets smart and goes for cheap clean neculear power we may up set another lot of do gooders by putting up a dozen or so coal power stations ?
Pipelines we do understand after all we piped water to the WA goldfields.
Ernie Bridges Upper House W.A. has been pushing for years to pipe water from lake Argyle to Perth and Adelaide picking up numerous communities on the way including on the S.A. leg ,Alice Springs.

It is too sensible especially when we have natural gas along the way to power the not inconciderable pumps.
We should also dam the Grey Rivers in Qld and pipe it down to Sydney.
Shit we cant even get a dam built here near Newcastle for our expected local needs.
Every time you go build a dam another batch of do gooders discover it is on a sacred site or is the last home to the newcastle dung beatle or…
With the Sydney desalination plant more do gooders , last refuge of the Sydney dung beatle, sacred site, water comming out will be salty . Duh !

So Sibyl
Looks like a lot of people need educating.
Go for it.

9 07 2010
Sibyl Ince

You mention “do gooders” a couple of times. I reiterate… “there’s no reason”.

9 07 2010
Muz

‘Looks like a lot of people need educating.’

Including you. Your spelling and grammar are atrocious! (neculear, inconciderable, comming, newcastle etc.)

Anyway, we’ve got 60 years of gas reserves so burn that first and then if after 40 years or so if we have no alternatives then go nuclear. Maybe you should educate yourself on alternatives before squawking for nuclear like every other peanut on talkback radio.

Do gooder this do gooder that! Blimey shouldn’t you be on hold waiting to speak to Alan Jones or Neil Mitchell?

9 07 2010
James Hunter

MUz,
My spelling and grammer are legend so pity they are not so bad that you could not determin the truth.

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

Nookewla?

14 07 2010
Chris

Squawking for nuclear?

Perhaps if you did some research into modern nuclear power production plants and the disposal methods of the wastes produced therein, you would join the peanut gallery and begin squawking yourself.

It’s all well and good to say solar and wind is the way of the future, because yes, it is. Far in the future, when solar panels are more efficient, more reliable and cheaper. Wind power is great, don’t get me wrong. If I could, there’d be a wind trubine on the roof of my apartment right now. The problem is storage of the intermittant power output of the turbine to enable a consistant supply. Solar suffers from the same intermittant output foibles.

9 07 2010
Will S

What’s the obsession with growth? Why do we even want to increase the population, there’s enough humans around already. By the way JH, the dam you refer to would dry out Ramsar wetlands, http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/warning-of-tillegra-dam-threat-to-wetlands-20100609-xwy7.html
just so we can water our driveways?

9 07 2010
SD

Will, I do agree that there are enough people around at the moment and we should be leaving some space for the rest of nature.

But isn’t the asylum/illegal entrants/boat people issue about existing humans?

The baby bonus on the other hand…..

9 07 2010
Will S

It sure is. How much massive infrastructure increase would we need to cope with 6000 people though?

9 07 2010
SD

Not a huge lot I am thinking. Other much smaller countries cope with greater number. In any event how does ET cope with 6000?

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

Don’t have a baby, adopt a refugee…BAHAHAHAHA…

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Will,
thers a good boy. another sacred site dung beatle patch vampire bat house at risk.
go find a better place fo a dam ?
Oh desalinate?
where will you have us put it?
Pipe the water ? thinkof all the lilometers of natural habitat for dung beatles and vampire bats that will be destroyed and all the sacred sites that will have to be avoided at mega millions ?
You realise that the sacred sites are always discovered one hour aft3er an infrastructure project is anounced.
White man lawyer man make lots a moola at societies expense.

9 07 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Dung beatles?

Are you implying something here, JH?

And whilst on the topic of nuclear energy, if I take off my pinko libtard greenie hats and wear solely my economic rationalist one, it doesn’t even pass a cost benefit analysis compared to current technologies available to us: even with renewables currently as they stand, they work out slightly cheaper.

Add to the fact that billions of dollars are required on a scale that rules out private investment, long (and often delayed) lead times to commissioning and the immense imbedded energy requirements (processing ore to yellowcake to metal, construction, transport and storage of fissile materials and end disposal of spent fuel), as well as being uninsurable (only a government could underwrite such an enterprise), that for th same price, mixed renewables would meet t

9 07 2010
Bag O'Turnips

(Bloody publish button in the way again! Aaargh!)

…the baseload requirements of the country, with plenty of change for R&D to further increase efficiencies.

Some of the rationalistas are aware of these facts. But there’s one big problem with that for them: there’s far less opportunities for them to shove their dicks in the till, whereas mining and processing allow them to take their slice. There is a well-organised lobby that exists to push the nuclear agenda, fronted by the likes of Ziggy Switkowski and Dennis Jensen MP, who want to capitalise on the immense industry that nuclear power entails, but in trying to win over the bogans, spruik the spurious environmental benefits such method provides. As for nimbyism, renewables ain’t got nothin’ on nuclear: nobody wants a reactor in their locale.

I can feel my millinery take a left slant, so I’ll conclude by straightening it and surmise that nuclear doesn’t stand up as an economic proposition…makes clean coal (a misnomer if there ever was) seem mildly realistic. And that’s a fantasy.

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

Whitemanvoodoolawyafella helpncashedupblackfellamakemricha…

9 07 2010
Will S

Recycling, bro. Better than desal or dams. You think people make money out of this stuff? We have to fight tooth and nail for conservation and face underhanded tactics by corporations and developers at every stage. There’s already evidence of the Tillegra dam environmental assessment being manipulated (big surprise, lol).

9 07 2010
Frazer

Economic growth, technological progress is the main contributor to improving our standard of living over the past 200 years. If the misery and vice spanning the majority of human existence is appealing to you, fine forget growth

9 07 2010
Antosha

@ Sibyl

Oil pipelines have been built across Alaska (that’s a small one!); The breadth of Russia, and currently across the entire Trans Caucus / Caspian region.

That is because a barrell of crude is cheaper to extract, than the equivalent of desalinating a barrell of water. And a barrell of crude oil sells for much more than a barrell of water.

My point being it is more possible to attract the required investment capital, acquire Govt permits, negotiate land access etc etc etc to build an oil pipeline, than it is to build a water pipeline. And such long pipelines take a HUGE amount of energy to run.

Even establishing a water pipeline from the tropical north of QLD to the parched interior is proving too difficult. The cost and energy efficiency metrics just don’t work.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Antosha,
Thank you . we probably could pay for it by poker machine tax and some sort of excise on Krispy Kreme ?

9 07 2010
Antosha

I shudder to think how many metric ‘Boaguls’ worth of Krispy Kreme’s would be needed to pay for such a pipeline Mr Hunter!

I say… today’s missive is proving quite emotive wouldn’t you say? I think we all need to get together and discuss our differences of opinion over some nice Austrian Cabbage – like any normal family would.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Antosha,
Sometimes if I or some other ner do well puts in some blunt comments to “stir the possum” it sort of takes on a life of its own and gets a “bit cranky” shall we say.
Yesterday was the same and I must carry some of the blame for kicking it off .
However I do believe that only by way of vigerous debate do we have any chance of finding either compromise or truth and in our quasi democratic society both are essentials to often overlooked.
People become obsessive about being nice and noth ruffling feathers. Unfortunately that does not cut the mustard with hard core industrialists, politicians or police ?

9 07 2010
Antosha

Exactly

I don’t think messrs Packer, Murdoch or Putin got to their relative positions by being ‘nice’.

9 07 2010
Mick

Excellent work.

This may be the only time I ever get to see Packer, Murdoch and Putin mentioned in the same breath.

I applaud thee.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Antosha,
Too true.
In my humble experience to achieve success with the management of staff one needs to have empathy with staff but not friendship and one needs to be respected by staff not feared and these concepts to me are often missing from not just our work places but from our society at large and espicially from our polititions towards their constituents.

One of the other things that I find disapointing is that so many can not themselves play the “Devils Advocate” to generate or sustain a conversation,nor can they understand what is happening when others (such as myself) do the same thing.

The reactions ,rather then being ones of engagement and debate like as not turn to resentment and even scor. This of course shuts down the opertunity for meaningful exchange of ideas and the useful testing of each partys hypotheses. It is as if they are bedeviled by a very low self esteem so that unless continually agreed with and “stroked” by those around they revert to child hood. (if in fact they have ever left it)
Any ways enough serious shit. What news from your part of the world on the exchange of spyes between The Russiya Matushka and the (C)hildren (I)n (A)ctions, Good Old Boys?,
Ah for the good old days where James Bond was James Bond !!

10 07 2010
Mick

Since when did a vigorous debate need one to be blunt to start with? If a strong conviction is held no amount of argument will change it. A good debate needs one to question another’s point and accept a reasonable apply.

A good debate isn’t about who shouts loudest. That’s for bogans.

It’s about respecting opinions. And others.

10 07 2010
Mick

apply=reply.

Don’t ask.

12 07 2010
Antosha

I say Mr Hunter… did you see that red headed lass! Smashing!

Funnily enough the whole saga is not such big news over here. I think the locals are so used to such tales.. that it all seems quite normal.

The hot weather on the other hand is driving everyone batty. Mrs Antosha included. Last night it was 33 degrees at 9.30 pm !!!

12 07 2010
James Hunter

Antosha,
“red headed lass” ?
Ms Gillard ?

12 07 2010
James Hunter

Mick,
Well to me debate should be blunt if that is what it takes to be truthful in a few words.
If you prefer babble and inuendoes then what ever floats your boat I guess. Just dont expect a lot of respect though.

27 04 2011
Vviv2

Desalinate and populate??
That takes care of the water Sibyl, what do you suggest we feed all these new souls? The land certainly can’t be cropped, there’s precious little in the way of arable fields in a desert, that’s what makes it a desert!
To change any of that would be to endanger our precious flora & fauna, unique to this country…. I for one would rather preserve our country.
Surely humans are intelligent enough to realise if we keep breeding unchecked, we will destroy the very planet that sustains us all?

19 07 2010
freshsong

Skank? That’s harsh. I imagine you wouldn’t use such a sexually derogatory term if she was a he.
Additionally, running a desalination plant requires much more energy than can be harnessed from alternative power sources. And what do you plan on doing with the super saline water?
There’s desert for a reason and Australia doesn’t need to be bulging at the seams like the good ‘ole USA. It would destroy the environment at an even greater rate than we are managing now.
And by the way, these are actually PEOPLE we’re talking about. Not dogs that need a temporary kennel to stay in.

9 07 2010
martin

So the bogan likes the 400,000 coming in the front door so it can have it’s “free” money with hideous property prices, even though the bogan’s children will never have a chance to own or will end up paying a million dollars for a dogbox, but hates the 6000 coming in the back door so they can practice their jingoistic tendencies.

9 07 2010
martin

We should probably take the 6000 and reduce our official intake by 6000. Saving up the few grand, which to them would probably be the same as $100k to us and getting on one of those horrid little boats probably shows more guts than filling in a few forms and being competant at a kindergarten level of english.

9 07 2010
Mick

I’m not sure but I thought this was already the case. Doesn’t Australia have a refugee quota counted as part of our immigration intake? And the asylum seekers part of our refugee quota?

Can an expert please enlighten me?

9 07 2010
pb

that is correct. we have a refugee quota, but we don’t necessarily meet our quota each year, things tend to vary a bit. we accept people from refugee camps overseas, those who come on other visas (tourist, business, etc) and then apply for asylum, and those who come on boats. in all cases, refugee applications are processed the same way.

9 07 2010
Mick

Thank you pb, now back to regular scheduling.

THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!! OUR JERBS!!

9 07 2010
Simon - Glasser at Arms

Da duk de der.

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

Jerbs = waiting in line at the cashielink, i mean centrelink…

9 07 2010
Sibyl Ince

“refugee applications are processed the same way.”

That’s *if* they’re processed at all, and if the refugees aren’t tossed into some godforsaken hole and left to fester for 4, 5 or 6 years while this so-called ‘processing’ goes on.

9 07 2010
pb

they’re processed the same way as in there are them same requirements to meet to determine refugee status. this can take a varying length of time. but yes, there are also the delays caused by politicians trying to sound ‘tough’ or ‘sending a message’ that have nothing to do with processing applications. there is also the impact of cutting the number of public servants, meaning there are less people to process the applications and it can make it take longer. then there are the appeals processes, which can drag on. so there are a number of different reasons why processing can take a long time, some are understandable, some are not.

9 07 2010
The Drought Maker

The Solution! How about immigration dept ONLY processes applications from people arriving by death trap boat. Any new white people have to sail in tall ships, and non refugees who immigrate must first live here on a casual basis, think two weeks here, two weeks on Narau…. Seriously, why would anyone turn their back on refugees and complain and argue about a measly 6000 souls, when tens of thousands of people immigrate every year? I think it’s Tall Poppy – Bogan Meme, because refugees have never paid tax and yet the govt gives them money. If I had that money I could buy more VB and smokes…

None of that made any real sense, did it.

9 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

DTM

I got it. I don’t know if that’s a good thing 😉

9 07 2010
Mick

It’s called downward envy.

The bogan hates seeing anyone get stuff an’ shit that they don’t get. They see the asylum seeker/towelhead as just bludgin’ off the guvmint.

Which, as we all know, is something that should be left for the bogan. Afterall, The bogan was born here so it has earned it.

9 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Mick

Indeed.

Your insight as always is spot on.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Soon as you throw open the doors to 6000 then next month it will be 60,000 and at the years end 600,000.
Then we will all be living with the problems that they were leaving.
bring it on

9 07 2010
Shirley M

FFS.

So the more refugees we take, the more people in the world will suddenly become refugees?

What’s your solution to the problem?

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Shirl, They do not suddenly become refugees they just suddenly see a place that will not kick them out.
What is my solution?
I do not realy know. I do know that we must always look after oursef first. If we have some cake left then sure , share it.
We will never be able to please everyone that is a given

9 07 2010
Shirley M

Your view of humanity in general seems pretty dim to me.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Shirl,
Humanity is pretty dim

9 07 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Kicking agin the pricks as we do JH, most of us here try to shine a little light on the benighted corners of humanity, by attempting to live examined lives. Which is very antithesis of boganity.

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

I examined my lice just yesterday BoT…they seemed quite dim…even in the light.

9 07 2010
Antosha

With you on this one Mr Hunter.

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

60,000,000 year 2,
600,000,000 year 3,
6,000,000,000 year 4
phew! luck we don’t let ’em in!

9 07 2010
pb

the bogan celebrates teenage sailors sailing around the world just to break a record but hates people using boats to flee persecution.

9 07 2010
Tone

They also love dancing to ‘My People’ by The Presets, even though it’s a protest song against Howard-era policies on asylum seekers.

9 07 2010
Will S

I think we’ve discussed this before. But still, here are my views neatly condensed into a 4 minute pop song:

9 07 2010
Tone

If ‘My People’ confuses the bogue, ‘77%’ will send at least 77% of them into cerebral aneurysm. One has to love the way The Herd uses one of the bogue’s favourite genres of music (Skip-Hop) and turns it into a most maxtreme glassing. Thanks for sharing, Will.

9 07 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Thanks Will, much appreciated!

I’m sure this, “Phillip Ruddock Blues” and others were on a compilation called Rock Against Howard .

And to think that many of those songs are applicable once again. Plus ca change…

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Pb ,
some ,a very small, some, are fleeing persicution, most are just seeking a better life. Big difference.
The do good bleeding heart refugee legal aid groups deliberately try to blur this distinction.
Be aware.

9 07 2010
pb

jh, on average, 90% of those who come here on boats seeking asylum are found to be genuine refugees. that is an incredibly high percentage.
also, i used to work in migration, so i know what i’m talking about and i know the refugee advocacy groups. i’m not just talking some idealistic hopes here, i’m talking from experience.

9 07 2010
Shirley M

Come on JH. Would you get on a shitty little boat and risk your life, and the lives of your children, just for *maybe* a better life? I’m less concerned about the ‘the do good bleeding heart refugee legal aid groups deliberately trying to blur this distinction’ than I am about people making unfounded and convenient assumptions that refugees are simply opportunistic.

9 07 2010
Muz

I really thought you were smarter than this James.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Thank you MUZ I knew I was different to you

9 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ JH

Dude, I am so surprised at your comments! What’s going on man? Are you on the sh!t stir or what?

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Pinky,
Guess I am a bit. Might go chill out for a while.
I realy do find that so many look at things simplistically and can only see arguments that support their preconceptions. I must admit I do try to make people see that there are other sides that are worthy of discussion even if I do not necessarily believe them myself.
Most problems in the world have no black and white answere. people have to come to realise that most solutions are compromises. to stand in thre way of compromise is to stand in the way of true progress.

9 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

JH

I think humanitarianism is so important. I know I’m a bleeding heart, but I can’t help it. I am in a minority. I know what it is like to not have a voice and it makes you angry. A little bit of humanity would go along way.

Surely there has to be a more humane way to process people? Surely providing them with adequate diet, health services, social services wouldn’t be such a bad thing if people could be treated like, I don’t know, they’re human. We all have a common ancestor and should each treat each other as people, not a race, or a religion, or any other thing we use to excuse our behaviour.

The Bogan needs to be told to shut up and let the grown ups talk.

What if you had to leave Australia? Imagine that all of the sudden Engineers are persecuted, tourtured and killed. You get a chance to sail to New Zealand and are made promises that are probably bullsh!t. You’re ready to believe anything as long as you think you can escape the persecution.You arrive in New Zealand on this leaking death trap, cold and frightened and you don’t speak the language. You’re chucked in a “prison” until someone can process you. No trial, no chance to be heard, just wait. I’ve only heard bits of some of the stories that come from these places and that has been enough for me to hang my head in shame and practise my New Zealand accent.

9 07 2010
Shirley M

I’m pretty sure I’m going to draw a massive leaky penis on my ballot form this year.

9 07 2010
Biggest Bogan and Proud

Love it, Shirl! That’s a great idea 🙂

9 07 2010
9 07 2010
Shirley M

Yeah, leaky. A bit dribbly.

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

Leaky like a refugee boat or something else?

9 07 2010
Shirley M

Leaky like a cock, of course.

10 07 2010
Shirley M

Like this, kids.

http://twitpic.com/23vbyr

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Shirl M,
Great idea. For those voting liberal maybe a leaking vagina ?

9 07 2010
Tone

Business as usual then, Shirl? 😛

9 07 2010
Shirley M

Yeah, pretty much. 😉

9 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

I love you Shirl. ❤ ❤

9 07 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Scary to think that Julia Gillard has taken to learning how to play the dogwhistle. Actually, more like truly sad.

Phillip Ruddock would be proud.

9 07 2010
Simon - Glasser at Arms

Must admit I have not followed this weeks happening re east timor closely, but it appears to have only taken Big Red a week to completely screw the pooch and then deny ever having opened her mouth. Ah she learnt so much from Kev and we all actually hoped she would be good.

Shirl, I think the penis may be a good idea.

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

Maybe it was her running the Krudster all along! Now we see who was REALLY pulling the strings…moohahahahahahar.

9 07 2010
miss dahl

I’m going out on a limb here: maybe we could (somehow) convince the bogans to leave Australia and welcome the refugees. Perhaps sell to the bogans the idea that somewhere out there is a land flowing with VB and Krispy Kremes …

9 07 2010
Biggest Bogan and Proud

I’m there! just show me how to finance the one way ticket on 30 months interest free

9 07 2010
Simon - Glasser at Arms

GE money my friend.

9 07 2010
Biggest Bogan and Proud

I would apply to GE, but they wouldn’t lend me money last time, after me mate crashed me car and I had to stop paying for it (why should I pay for a crashed car?)

9 07 2010
Simon - Glasser at Arms

Ok, fair nough, how about a pay day lender then just scarper on them.

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

Sell you bogue stuffnthat at your local crimeconverters…

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Do it with a promotion at Hardly Normal’s Finance with GE credit ?

9 07 2010
miss dahl

Added sweetener: make Lindsay Lohan queen of the bogans. I’m sure she’ll love that and so will her subjects!

9 07 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Speaking of Montgomery Burns Ruddock, there was a song by TISM written in 2001, which was rather surprisingly sincere protest from band better known for putting the mockers on and hanging $hit.

Here is a truly stellar user-submitted effort on YouTube, featuring images of the Ugly Australia that was tacitly approved by the Howard Government.

As much as “The Phillip Ruddock Blues” is a searing and incisive piece, I’m saddened to the marrow to see that it is still relevant nines years later, under Labor.

Here’s the link:

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

There is no ‘real’ choice in politics any more, a forced choice between 2 parties that are pretty similar in outlook, philosophy, policy formation and execution is not really a ‘choice’. Democracy? Bah! Them caaants just reactionary and populist faaaknkaaants, driven by opinion polls.

9 07 2010
Jaydyn

9 years fuck… I remember when it was just a diatribe in between songs at their gigs.

9 07 2010
Girl of Madness

Wow, reading this article made me even more glad that I have made the choice to leave Australia. A visiting relative (from Australia) recently commented “Wow you live in a country with no emos, skanks or bogans. This is fantastic”

And it is… Australian politics are a joke. How can a country with so much potential be failing so miserably??

9 07 2010
Whistling Nixie

Several people will say, “Well, any other country has its equivalent of bogans”… but what they’re talking about are actual sub-cultures, as opposed to something that’s become mainstream and permeated every aspect of society, as boganism has here.

9 07 2010
Going Bogue

GM,

Where on Earth do you live? Mars? Certainly not planet Earth…

9 07 2010
miss dahl

Where is this Utopia?

9 07 2010
Tracy Rimjaw

Not possible, skanks are everywhere.

9 07 2010
Gavin

“Race to the bottom” very well put TBL. I for one can’t wait for the election to be decided, regardless of who wins the election you can be sure that all of us (non-bogues) will be worse for having to experience the next few months of bogan vote winning garbage..

9 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

To me this is the best example that Australia is just a big bully. East Timor is still building up after the destruction of their country. I think Gillard is a disgrace. I heard her on Lateline last night saying that she was going to push forward and “make it happen”. WTF?

We should deal with our own issues and not dump them on a struggling nation.

I’m disgusted to call myself Australian.

TBL- As always your post is 100% bang on. I ❤ you all.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Pinkster,
Well said, Timor realy does not deserve the problem
Malaysia would be my choice. Payment in kind for us keeping RAAF up there for years helping them.

9 07 2010
James, anti Anti-Intellectual

Malaysia is a difficult case, JH, as it is not a signatory to the relevant UN Conventions. Timor Leste is.

9 07 2010
Will S

How about Brunei? We never hear very much from that quiet, oil-filled neighbour.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Will S
Good idea.
How about Hawaii ? The yanks owe us for turning up to all those wars we didnt need and it is in the area and they have all those guards from Cuba who will have nothing to do soon ?

9 07 2010
James, anti Anti-Intellectual

I think setting up a processing centre in TImor Leste could do the tiny nation some good. I imagine though, that the political leadership would want to negotiate an agreement with the Australian government which states that only the processing itself will take place in Timor Leste, and the actual resettlement of those found to be genuine refugees would take place in Australia, or some third party. Despite Gillard’s rhetoric, I think she will attempt to work towards a deal akin to that struck with Nauru by the Howard government.

All that said, this policy initiative will not reduce the number of boats heading to Australia, if indeed that is what it is intended to do.

9 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

James aAI,

You know far more about this than me so maybe you could enlighten me.

When exactly does the government start thinking about the people involved? I know I am bleeding heart pinko, but from what I have seen, there is no inferstructure in Timor to support the “prison”? In reality how many jobs will this create for the Timorese? Or would we ship our own over there to build it? What would be the long term economic prospects be with regard to long term jobs for the Timorese? Will this have unforeseen social effects on the Timorese and the prisnors? What education will be provided to help assylum seekers find gainful, long term prospects here in Australia?

With the establishment of the prison, will that make the processing time quicker? Will people be treated with dignity? Will social services be provided so that these refugees will have to opportunity to move forward with what must be devastating psychological scars? In my opinion, we would save a lot of money on psych care later on if we provide services now.

In my opinion Gillard is bullying Timor just to garner the Bogan vote.

9 07 2010
James, anti Anti-Intellectual

I will try to deal with each question, P!nky, but much of this will be my own subjective opinion, so please take it with a grain of salt.

In terms of infrastructure, there are some old, (currently) unused refugee camps in Timor Leste that could be improved with very little effort, as well as former military camps from the INTERFET operation which could quickly be converted. If this process follows that in Nauru and on Manus Island in PNG, local labour would be used as this keeps costs down. In terms of jobs for Timorese, these would be limited in number, and the main benefits would accrue to the government of Timor Leste, which no doubt would ask for a substantial aid package to sweeten the deal. On the unforeseen effects, I imagine they would be similar to the situation in Nauru and Manus a few years back – there is a wealth of literature on that if you are interested (although this will not prevent the government from claiming they were unforeseen).

These camps would not make processing time quicker. Only an expansion in staff and funding at the Department of Immigration and the UNHCR’s office could do that. It is most likely that the boat people will be treated in a dignified manner, but by no means certain. Given that Gillard is looking at a “regional solution”, any education and preparation for life after processing would be unlikely, as under what Gillard is proposing it is by no means certain that resettlement would be in Australia.

On when the government will start thinking of the people, you will not like my answer. I would say never. I personally know many, particularly Afghan and Burmese refugees, and all have terrible stories (my Liberal friends are often horrified at how soft I am on this issue as a result). But for the government, it must harden itself towards such personal experiences and not allow them to affect the development of what it sees as good policy. Given that the political end they are seeking to secure here is stopping boat people making the trip, rather than ending suffering for as many refugees as possible, they will look to means that achieve an end to people smuggling, rather than good outcomes for refugees.

On your opinion, I largely agree, but see it more in terms of defusing this as an election issue, thereby allowing the government to focus on bribing bogans in other areas.

9 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ James aAI,

I wasn’t surprised that government would ever think of the people it is meant to be serving. Bastards.

I don’t think anyone has put any thought whats-so-ever into the outcomes for the refugees. Whether they are positive or negative. All I see is Gillard getting laughed at by the Lateline on the ABC over talking to the president rather than the prime minister (? not sure if I have the right names) and I found it interesting that in the report they spoke of the Timorese poverty etc; but never needled Gillard about it?If I were interviewing her I would have.

I would consider these processing centres places where crimes against humanity occurs hourly. How is it possible for this to still happen after WW2? Are we so stupid that we haven’t learnt that just because your not a Nazi or a Commy or a socialist you’re still an arsehole for torturing people. For locking them up without trial and all because they were on a boat. Even more vile that it is done slowly and to children. Sounds familiar. Am I drawing a long bow on this one? Is my pinko bleeding heart going to far?

9 07 2010
Mick

I reside in an ex-detention centre for a good part of the year.

It is a depressing, soul-destroying place. And I can come and go as I please. What it must have been like to be detained there I can’t imagine. Especially for young minds.

9 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Mick

It pains me to think of the children who are born there. I have seen a few doco’s and looked into it further but had to stop as I find it quiet difficult to stomach.

Was this up at the Pilbara?

9 07 2010
Mick

Yep Pinky.

The old part is just minimum living standards. Appalling. Anyone who was locked in there for a period of time has my fullest sympathies.

10 07 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Mick

I saw a doco on the social issues up in the Pillabra. I was so worried that I wanted to join the people working to help the people who found themselves with a drinking problem whilst living there.

Insane amounts of money and nothing to do. What an excellent combination to create a stable healthy community.

10 07 2010
Mick

Was that the Four Corners one? I have stayed in that camp. If you want addictions, go there. Alcohol, drug, gambling, whatever your vice is you have the cash to indulge.

They’re bored. They miss their families. There’s tremendous peer group pressure. I had a bloke telling me one night he wanted out because his kids were missing him and all of his drinking buddies were telling him to stay for longer. I told him to go and that the cash wasn’t worth the anguish. The way his mates looked at me you would have thought I was a martian.

A healthy lifestyle? It can be. I don’t touch grog while I’m there. The others have scared me. You can eat as healthy as you like. You can work it all to your advantage but I’m afraid most don’t seem to.

9 07 2010
miss dahl

I still think it’s too early to tell – we should wait and see what transpires. It seems to me she’s testing the water, and naturally, she wants to win the upcoming election … (duh, who wouldn’t – like Mel Brooks said, it’s good to be king..)

9 07 2010
James, anti Anti-Intellectual

To my mind, that is what the policy is really about, miss dahl. By moving noticeably towards a bipartisan, so-called tough approach, Gillard can remove more of the wind from Abbott’s sails, and give him one less issue where there is a substantial difference in policy with which to wedge the ALP. Any negotiations entered into with regional states will be protracted – I can not see any agreement being struck for at least six months – in which time Gillard can campaign for the election on other matters, saying that “an agreement to deal with the boat people problem is under negotiation”.

9 07 2010
SD

James, in which case was it a mistake on the part of JG to specifically indicate Timor Leste?

Also from what I read Timor has enough money thrown at it already but little of it has percolated down. Instead it appears there is a divide between the political elite and the various players relating to the UN and oil and gas there and the average person. I can’t see this changing with any further monetary benefits thrown at them?

9 07 2010
James, anti Anti-Intellectual

I would agree on all counts, SD. The problem isn’t lack of money, it is how the money is used. And of course those using the money would not want this to change.

9 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

And this really seals this issue to the electorate, they (ALP) don’t even have to pull it off after the election if they win they can pull a famous ALP about face/flip flop/back flip whatever it is or do something completely different. It is just some pre election posturing and a stance to win the bogues over. Can’t believe anything the ALP says they will do any more.

9 07 2010
James Hunter

TGA,
and you can believe the other parties ?
hahahahahahahahahahaah…..ha

9 07 2010
Mick

The point of today’s post.

Both parties are aiming for the lowest common denominator. The bogan.

10 07 2010
TheGenuineArticle of Westurbia

Nup. Can’t believe any ovem.

9 07 2010
Marcus

‘the bogan will tremulously yowl’

Could only have been bettered by an image!

Pure gold TBL.

9 07 2010
Shirley M

So a man protesting Labors move to the right on asylum seekers threw an egg and Julz in Perth this morning. Missed. Better luck next time, champ.

9 07 2010
Bag O'Turnips

‘Twasn’t I. Such activities in protest are utterly futile, not to mention getting yourself on the wrong side of the law.

Better to be an activist, at least by joining GetUp! or A Just Australia, where you not only work at the grassroots and effect change from the bottom up with those who need it most, but also have a better chance at providing input at a policy level by having a better chance of having their ear, by representing a group of reasonably minded citizens, rather than a rabid mob pelting projectiles at pollies.

9 07 2010
Pandabater

I have 2 questions;

1, Why would Prime Minister Gillard nominate a country to house the “Regional Processing Centre” without asking them first? This seems incredibly silly to me.

2, If Australia cannot handle the 2% of assylum seekers that arrive by boat, where the hell do we process the 98% that arrive by air?

9 07 2010
Andrew

Sadly – and I actually held out high hopes for Big Reg – it’s not just an example of racing to the bottom. It’s symbolic of the underlying racist tone that runs through the veins of most of Australia.
The very first piece of legislation passed by our Federal Parliament was the Immigration Restriction Act of 1901. This laid out the guidelines by which prospective Chinese immigrants would be assessed — they would be asked to write 50 words dictated to them by an official. It was the beginning of the White Australia Policy that Bolt, Akerman, et al refuse to acknowledge (just show me 10!), but takes only a mere scratch on the surface of Straya to discover.
How can we be so frightened of 3000 men, women and children arriving on cobbled together rafts?
And the irony of our own arrival into this land just baffles me….

9 07 2010
James Hunter

Andrew,
Some are easily baffled

11 07 2010
Andrew

And some are just rednecks

11 07 2010
James Hunter

Andrew,
People who can confuse the circumstance of the early settlers, the Chinese early arrivals and todays immigrants (with their sprinkling of terrorists) obviously still have a lot of study to do so that they may sensibly make comment. I would recomend to them that they undertake the appropriate study and self enlightenment as a matter of urgency.

11 07 2010
Andrew

So James, are you honestly telling me you have nightmares about this right wing media-inspired ‘invasion’?
And if you were an Aboriginal, would you not parallel the arrival of the Europeans with terrorism?
Once again, baffling….

11 07 2010
James Hunter

Andrew ,
some are blind from birth

11 07 2010
Andrew

First time I can say I agree with you.

Oh, and good luck fending off those terrorists

11 07 2010
pb

jh, if you’re going to make such allegations you need to back them up.

9 07 2010
Mick

Totally unrelated (or related. It’s all about terrorism these days isn’t it?), I see David Hicks may be allowed to tell his story now.

That would be interesring.

11 07 2010
miss dahl

How he accidentally happened upon, er ‘ello, what’s this … why, it’s an Al- Quaeda training camp.

12 07 2010
Mick

He openly admitted he trained with them before 9/11. Much like the US army used to train the Taliban at one time.

It’s what happened between 9/11 and his capture that I’m interested in.

When was Al-Qaeda declared as a terrorist group anyhow?

12 07 2010
miss dahl

Er, when they admitted to the bombings on 9/11. You can google the little darlings and get a heap of interesting factoids. Lots of words and terminology to get lost in for days and days. However, there is one things that stands out with these people (few as they are), they don’t like us westerners and our conspicuous consumerism, wealth?! and above all, freedom. They don’t even like most of their own Muslim brethren (it’s a sunni/shi’a thing, apparently). They take their hatred of other people and their own religion so seriously, that they will not hesitate to kill innocent people to prove it. They even have been known to travel far and wide to exercise and interpret their will to kill. Like that’s meant to make us respect or like them, or something, who knows? Sometimes it hard to fathom that depths of a hate-filled and poisoned mind. If the word “terrorist” doesn’t fit, then other words may suffice – criminals, murderers, assassins, executioners … take your pick. If conspicuous consumerism bothers them, then they can look no further than the Saudi rich boys’ club, situated right next door or nearby. But, oddly enough, they haven’t taken a run at those guys, yet – I wonder why? No, they prefer to aim their hatred at westerners, preferably innocent, unarmed people – so much easier for them, just like shooting fish in a barrel or canned hunting. Total heroes in the eyes of like-minded miscreants but a scourge that should be contained and obliterated in their eyes of any sane and reasonable person.

12 07 2010
Mick

Got their hate on other Muslims. I always understood they hated Saddam and Iraq because of some of the relative free-thinking and behavoir that was allowed. And they won’t touch Saudi because of all the family links.

They weren’t declared until 2001? Weren’t they responsible for some bombings in Africa in the late 90’s? When did the US stop training them?

I know that they’re total arseholes and Hicks is a fool at best, but there’s always been something that hasn’t added up for me.

12 07 2010
miss dahl

My understanding is that they recruit specifically the “outcasts” of society, the angry, disenfranchised teenagers and general nutbags with an axe to grind. All the bosses have to offer is free training, accommodation in caves and/or bombed out shacks, some weirdo promise of life everlasting with an endless supply of nubile girlies and unlimited access to all the guns and bombs they can carry. Then, there are the enablers – the older men and women who are fanatical Islamists and hell-bent on (our) destruction. They just about work for free, ‘coz they reckon they’ll get the same afterlife deal, the men that is, I’m still unsure what’s in it for the women … This is no different from their African counterparts – the armies of kids and teenagers who were pretty much kept armed and intoxicated all the time, and sent out to murder villagers in Congo, Sierra Leone and Somalia. Except for the rape aspect – Islamists generally don’t use that as a weapon – the ultraviolence is what they are all about. Finally, there are the splinter groups – same deal, different names. If you want specific dates, names and events, there are a number of good books around to read by people who have been up close and personal with them.

10 07 2010
CoffeeSnob

I’ll plays Devil’s Advocate.

Is everyone assuming that because people come to the country that claims to be a refugee is actually a refugee? I hope people realise that sometimes those who have created the issues in the first place are now the ones fleeing ie: members of the now defunct Baa’ath Party, Taliban, extremist groups etc?

Just because they are on boat doesn’t AUTOMATICALLY make them a genuine refugee. Most are, but not all. Hence a thorough process is required to check who they are before they enter.

10 07 2010
Shirley M

About 84% of asylum seekers that come to Australia are granted refugee status. Of those that come on boats, the statistic is more like 93%. Of the 7% that are refused, most are refused on the grounds that the are ‘only starving’, therefore do not qualify as genuine refugees.

Most of the asylum seekers who come to Australia on boats come from places where there is no queue, no means to apply to come to Australia. Their only chance of survival is to risk their lives, the lives of their loved ones, or alternatively leave their loved ones behind, and get themselves to a first world country. Australia is the only Western country that uses mandatory detention as a way to deal with asylum seekers. The system is indefinite and non-reviewable, and branded by the UN as the most severe in the western world.

Britain takes about 100,000 asylum seekers a year. And a mere 6000 is apparently a major concern to Australia. The rhetoric around this issue is largely fear-mongering, and avoids all the issues that we should be looking at from a human rights point of view.

10 07 2010
urbanreverie

Greetings from Singapore.

Before I left for my little holiday, I consulted my Lonely Planet, which states that even regimented, up-tight, nanny-state Singapore has bogan-like groups in society! My heart sank when I read this! Male Singaporean bogans are called “ah bengs”, and female Singaporean bogans are called “ah lians”. The definition of an “ah beng” is:

Every country has them; boys with spiky gelled hair, loud clothes, the latest mobile phones and a choice of gutter phrases; his fondest wish … is to own a souped-up car with an enormous speaker in the boot, so that he may pick up the cutest ah lian.

An ah lian is described thus:

,,, Large moussed hair, garish outfits, armed with a vicious tongue …

This seems a little closer to the British chav than the Australian bogan, but
you get the picture. Thing is, I can’t pick out any ah bengs or ah lians! How do I find them? Do I go up to a random stranger on the MRT train and ask “Excuse me, mate! You reckon you could point out an ah beng for me please?”

I haven’t found any yet, and I’ve been out to the suburbs too. But rest assured that your intrepid traveller Mr Urban is on the case!

One thing I have seen though – Australian bogans. For instance, the Changi Chapel & Museum, a memorial in honour of Allied prisoners of war and civilian internees. An excellent and highly moving museum and a testament to the resilience and courage of humanity. But there were a whole gaggle of middle-aged bogans. One of them had a Tiger beer shirt. Enough said.

They then proceeded to argue in their nasal obnoxious whine with the girl at the front desk over the $8 cost of hiring a headset for an audio tour (“BUT THE SIGN RECKONS THE MUSEUM IS FREE!”) and then proceeded to ruin everyone’s silent reflections with shrill calls such as “HEY, COME LOOK AT THIS, DARL!”

For the first time in a long, long time I was consumed with an all-encompassing desire to kick someone until they bled. But I just breathed deeply a couple of times, told myself that’s taking myself down to their level, and tried to put them out of their mind and concentrate on remembering the men and women who suffered so much at the hands of Fascism in Singapore.

So thank you, bogan. I can’t even go to another hemisphere without you ruining things. Why can’t you go live in a cave somewhere and leave the rest of us alone?

And on Sentosa Island you can pick the Australian bogan from a mile away. Only the boguette could possibly see fit to wear thongs, tiny little shorts with an Australian flag motif and a fluoro-green tank top to a tourist attraction. God knows what people here think of Australians.

10 07 2010
Whistling Nixie

Let’s put it this way, Lee Kuan Yew’s been proven right about his prediction of Australia becomeing the white trash of Asia.

10 07 2010
Whistling Nixie

(Yes, I mis-typed the word “becoming”)

11 07 2010
martin

Asians are so classy they can’t stop having sex with each other so now they’ve got something like 2/3rds of the world’s population.

11 07 2010
lighthouse

Not different from Europeans then.

3 very large continents populated by the 19th century = extreme ancestral f…ing.

11 07 2010
Will S

umm, blaming individuals for population growth makes about as much sense as blaming a soldier for starting a war

12 07 2010
urbanreverie

Uhhh Martin, are you aware that Singapore has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world, along with other wealthy Asian countries?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate

10 07 2010
Tombarina

Hey Urb

I’m embarrassed on your behalf. How humiliating, in the eyes of another country, to be lumped in with half-cut, half-dressed Bogues Abroard.

Have a lovely holiday, and tell ’em your British. Or Kiwi. Or Guatemalan – whatever it takes!

11 07 2010
urbanreverie

Thanks for your kind wishes, Tomba. I am having the time of my life in Singapore, doing the Urban things that I like doing. Singapore is an amazing place, and Australia can learn so much from how Singaporeans do things.

Though I refuse to deny that I’m Australian. That’s letting the bogan win. I want the world to know that there are many decent, respectful and intelligent Australians, and that not everyone from our country is an obnoxious bogan lout. I hope that the Singaporeans I’ve met and had conversations with are left with a more favourable opinion of Australian people after having met me.

Australia, despite its many faults and failings – and there ARE many – is a great country with a lot going for it. I’m quietly proud of hailing from there. I’m not going to let the bogan take that pride away from me.

10 06 2011
frostyserenity

hi there! Well the ah beng that is being described seems to be the oldest and most general description of one. ‘ah beng’ used to be a term used to describe gangsters that were part of a underworld triad back in the day, and yes they were mostly uneducated guys that wore loud clothing. you can find some good pics from the following link:

http://kunkun.tripod.com/ahbeng2.htm

these days it pretty much means an uneducated an uncouth person, who speaks bad english (singlish) usually littered with expletives from Chinese dialects. It’s not necessarily how they look, but how they act. As shown in this clip from a popular English sitcom in singapore

http://www.youtube.com/user/PhuaChuKangPck?blend=10&ob=5#p/a/f/1/ULTAo-YOeDY

Hope that helps! I also have my own blog which i started 3 days ago about things singaporeans like. feel free to give suggestions/comment! thanks!

10 07 2010
jz

things bogans like –> lady gaga

11 07 2010
Tombarina

Easy, there, JZ.

Lady Gaga’s a top bloke.

11 07 2010
James Hunter

Tombarina,
9,9,8,7,9

10 07 2010
Rx

Bogans like Tony Abbott and Tony Abbott hates bogans and non-bogans alike.

11 07 2010
Tristan

Even if you are right this is crap.

You’re a social comments blog.

Not a political comments blog.

I don’t come here for that – and you should remember your readership.

11 07 2010
James Hunter

Tristan,
If you dont have the stomach for the kitchen then try the dunny

11 07 2010
Will S

But modern politics, at least around election time, is indistinguishable from marketing, and no one writes about marketing better than TBL.

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