Bogan Bribe Watch 11/06/2010

11 06 2010

RSPTTTC – Don’t Know What It Means to Me

Last week, we looked at the bogan’s distaste for Kevin Rudd’s use of its taxpayer dollars for funding an advertising campaign to convince it that it shouldn’t be convinced by another advertising campaign that a tax on an industry it may wish to work in is bad or good for the country.

Confused? Good, that’s just how everyone wants you.

This week, let’s take a look at the great big new tax Mk II that the bogan feels constitutionally obliged to hate. The tax, which was suggested to the Henry Tax Review by the Minerals Council of Australia, effectively creates a more effective way of taxing a ridiculously profitable industry by funding expensive exploration and establishment of mines by taxing future large profits at a higher rate.

The bogan stopped paying attention at ‘Henry Tax Review’, and is now relying on television to tell it what to think and say. A bloke called Twiggy, who alternates between $4,000 suits and fluorescent vests and t-shirts depending upon the TV show he’s on, maintains that this tax is going to destroy the universe.  Although the tax will help the country avoid excessive debt in coming years, and the bogan dislikes debt unless it assists in paying for 3D! televisions, the bogan trusts Twiggy, because he’s a bloke called Twiggy, and he wears a fluorescent vest.

In a game of expensive ad-tennis, KRudd smashed a return with the aforementioned taxpayer-funded ads; and with all the velocity and spin of a Sam Stosur groundstroke, the MCA volleyed back:

The bogan is obviously impressed with vague and pseudo-scientific infographics, but this one fails to be as compelling as the ‘cleaning globules circumnavigating a tooth’ animation from toothpaste ads, which allow the bogan to experience maxtreme freshness in visual form.  In the realm of political infographics, the MCA comes a distant second to Abbott’s big red Muslim invasion arrows. It is also interesting that it finishes with a much larger punctuation mark than the ALP’s big moving red question mark.

ALP Score: 3 Cleaning Globules out of 10


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11 06 2010
pb

does twiggy have two pair of sunglasses there – one on and one at his shirt button? bogan.
love the heading for today’s one too.

11 06 2010
LJ

Those are safety glasses tucked into his collar, pb. Safety first!

11 06 2010
pb

well i’m glad he’s keeping his chest safe.

11 06 2010
Gavin

leading by example.. i preferred the workers shirt he wore at the rally yesterday as opposed to the vest though

11 06 2010
Beccie

…unlike the magnificent vision of physical and moral health that is Clive Palmer

11 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

y’know,
I dont watch much telly, so I’m sort of missing out on all this.

The bogan is obviously impressed with vague and pseudo-scientific infographics
apparently.
Given that I’m abiding at the ancestral domocile for a brevity, I ran a voxpop on the fams the other night along the lines of “How did the nation’s most popular PM undergo such a vertiginous fall from grace in the bogan national consciousness?”
Responses were all cut from soundbites and ads. Attempts to probe deeper had me labelled a “stirrer” and almost prompted a fight. (The fight actually did kick off later when we got on to physical discipline of dogs and children)

I shall reiterate I am not moved by ads for pretty much anything (I get my colour and movement from phenylamines mostly) having decided who I was voting for about 25 years ago.
The idea of being a swinging voter baffles me.
bogan

11 06 2010
Tubesteak

It never ceases to amaze me how idiotic and dim-witted bogans can be. They will follow any info fed them if it presses the usual bogan hot buttons.

“oh no a multi billion dollar industry might have to pay a bit more tax and have all their losses covered by the govt. We’ll all be roooooooned!”

PS you shouldn’t hit dogs. Dogs are awesome. I love dogs.

11 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

I have a very wilful and stubborn dog. 14 months old, the best one year old pup I’ve ever seen and she is not physically disciplined. I will admit that as an angry and easily frustrated individual, I have been guilty of lashing out (rarely) at the dog. The evidence is clear; beating is a knee jerk frustration reaction when one does not have the time/patience/wit to consider a more appropriate solution.
The same applies to children.
I will beat anyone who touches my child in an agressive manner.
beat

PS wasn’t Native Title supposed to have destroyed the mining industry anyway?

11 06 2010
Pandabater

Chubby, that was in the 90’s, in the 80’s it was the rent tax.

11 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

aaaah yes.
poor old mining industry.
😦

11 06 2010
Tubesteak

We all have frustration and can lose our temper.

I just love their big eyes and their smiles too much to be able to hit them.

Naughty children OTOH………

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Those amoral folks who practice these arcane and Machiavellian arts of persuasion are media advisors and marketing gurus. They will play the dogwhistle expertly, of course for their regular fee, to support their louche lifestyles in gentrified inner suburbs, long priced beyond its original habitués.

Dogs, do not listen to their tunes, even if your masters are forming a conga line of suckholes in doing so.

11 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

beautiful.
keating is it?
the conga line I mean…

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

I think it may be attributable to the ALP’s answer to Tony Abbott…well at least in capacity to self-destruct: Mark Latham it was.

12 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

aaah Mark.
wonder what happened to him…
The ALP just has the market cornered on colourful rhetoric.

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Chubby

He wrote a book I believe that wasn’t read by anyone and we all know Bogan’s can’t read so I think he’s slipped into obscurity. 😀

13 06 2010
martin

I read a bit of it. It’s just what you would expect so I got over it. Everyone in politics is lower than shark poo basically.

Beazley’s theme was to “piss on them and piss off”. Which meant not formulating any real policies just piss on anything the government of the day does to the media and piss off. I didn’t get past 1998 or so.

Obviously nothing has changed.

I reckon Latham *could* have been good.

13 06 2010
pb

he had some good policies, but then he’d ruin it all by opening his mouth and going out in public.

13 06 2010
Mick

He shouldn’t have had to open his mouth. A man of action was Mr Latham.

There was our chance to have our first PM who didn’t debate in parliament. He would have just glassed ’em all.

11 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

*phenethylamines.

sorry

11 06 2010
James Hunter

Chubby,
Do they go well in methos?
Not that I realy need to know…….but .

12 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

phenethylamines go well with anything.
😀

11 06 2010
James Hunter

Chubby,
Except right wing liberals whom it would be a pleasure to swing !

Hm Thinks… wonder if Peter is old enough ?

11 06 2010
Antosha

Or nasty, ‘British’ oil company executives! Hey Barrack ?

12 06 2010
Mick

There was an awful ad run by the mining companies during the native title debate. If I remember correctly it showed a black hand reaching across a map of Australia and wiping WA out.

The dream image for the bogan. It appealed to his inate racism and fear of his hip pocket being lighter.

11 06 2010
Sheikyerbouti

Safety first, pig’s arse. More like “Lawsuit prevention glasses.” They wouldn’t give a sh!t about sfatey if they never got sued for it.

11 06 2010
T-ra

I think the mining tax ‘debate’ is going to produce some of the biggest attempts at bogan bribes we have seen in a long time.

I am surprised someone hasn’t cottoned or started running ads a long the lines of “If this mining tax comes in, it will ruin your chances of going to the mines and earning big dollars to buy your Holden Ute and the biggest TV ever!”

11 06 2010
Brett

please, the more bogans working in the mines the better. Its gets them away from where I and other non-bogans live, and gets them off the dole.

11 06 2010
T-ra

Brett, I agree anything that gets bogans away from the inner citites the better. The point I was trying to make, however, was as they LOVE going to the mines and making big bucks (or at least the idea that they could), such a campaign would strike fear into their very hearts! I am surprised the anti-tax people haven’t caught on to that….I refer you to TBL Post #60.

11 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

@T-ra

Ssshhhh!

11 06 2010
lol-plates

The bogans are out in force in the SMH/Age with the opinion piece critiquing Rudds asylm seeker policy with “to kill a mockingbird”. The usual elitist opinions ruining what hardworking australians have built crap is being spewed. What shocks me is that bogans can read more than a few lines of text!

11 06 2010
pb

that – or at least as far as i got through the comments – was a depressing read. great article, but the usual idiots peddling the usual falsities in response.

11 06 2010
martin

I saw on the news that the blokes at the CFMEU I think it was are actually for the tax.

I think it’s your Howard loving parasitic speculating got an investment property or five bought a house in 1980 for bugger all now it’s worth a mil and I want to use the equity middle aged and up bogan that are against the mining tax. These are the types that run the neo con media so hence the sensationalism. The people who protested in WA looked to be these types, I could only see from a distance, but they looked like your typical old and self entitled parochially minded greedy amoral baby boomers. Not saying all boomers are like that.

I reckon Rudd will get over the line in the election with this one if he shows some resilience this time and doesn’t back down.

11 06 2010
Simon - Glasser at Arms

Only if all the bloody libtards vote for him.

11 06 2010
martin

Well if they don’t vote for him they’ll vote Greens which would mostly be a vote for Labor.

You just wanted to say libtard didn’t you. 😀

11 06 2010
Simon - Glasser at Arms

Yep! But I think it is a valid point.

11 06 2010
Simon - Glasser at Arms

Also Rudds spine is made out of a brittle rubbery substance, currently being studied in depth by science in an attempt to find out what factory it was created in.

11 06 2010
Bogue

Sounds Chinese…so he IS a Communist!

11 06 2010
Simon - Glasser at Arms

The science is heading to that conclusion Bogue. Or at least a communist invention.

11 06 2010
Tubesteak

Did any factory workers commit suicide whilst making his spine?

Rudd could sicerely say sorry to their parent . …. in Chinese

11 06 2010
Antosha

How dare you accuse Chairman Rudd of being a commie!

I say… is that big banner of Rudd’s head being unfurled over the Story Bridge?

Ever forward Comrades! Ever forward!

(Apologies.. too much caffiene today.. I’m begining to make about us much sense as Common Man..)

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Bogue

I think his spine was manufactured in China using Australian made materials.

His hair is clearly made by Mattel.

11 06 2010
Tom

Of course the CFMEU are for it – most of the unions are extremely left wing; there are quite a few Marxists still banging around in the unions (This isn’t a criticism of the unions by the way, just an observation).

11 06 2010
AntiPajero

I do not understand why the mining sector calls itself an “industry”. Everything they “produce” was already there. No industriousness necessary. Are they threatening that without the cigar chompers’ investment all the minerals will jump out of the ground and follow them offshore if their super profits become mere mortal profits?
If your principal contribution to the economy is digging holes to China, you are not an industry.

11 06 2010
HenryTheBeagle

You’re absolutely correct AntiPajero. You clearly do not understand at all.

11 06 2010
Bogue

Possibly a throwback to the good ol’ days (last century) when Australia actually process and refined said material? Now that is done off-shore.

11 06 2010
AntiPajero

…And another thing: What kind of capitalist endeavour would allow itself to be patently dependent on communist China?

Boganomics, take a bow.

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Well said, AP. Couldn’t agree more. And in WA, it’s even more pronounced.

Utterly shameful.

11 06 2010
Bogue

I guess this is what must be done when an ‘industry’ finds itself battling to supply raw materials to a country who sells back product for less!

11 06 2010
HenryTheBeagle

I know, especially when we have all these fully staffed smelters & concentrators & refineries just sitting around doing nothing! Its crazy. Why is that the mining “industry” does nothing but dig big holes and ship tanker loads of dirt. What about the value-add people!

KRudd should force the mining companies to process their own ore. Then we can supply our world class manufacturing industry. It happens to be one of the most competitive on the planet and has never needed a tax payer funded subsidy ever!

11 06 2010
Bogue

Force? Don’t you mean subsidise. Unfortunately, the days of utilising our value-adding nouce have been toppled by the simple economics of subsidised Chinese goods. The harsh reality is, in my opinion, we need to adopt a lower standard of living before we return to where we were only 10 years ago. The bogan won’t accept this in the short term, not at least while Mr Norman is giving them ‘free’ 9″ 3D TV sets.

11 06 2010
AntiPajero

They already enjoy fuel subsidies unavailable to other industries. If their national economic athleticism is so olympian, then perhaps they would be amenable to removing the tax funded training wheels from their trucks. And perhaps then no increased weight on their tired shoulders would be necessary.

11 06 2010
Bogue

Fuel forced on them at a lower cost?

11 06 2010
AntiPajero

Buy a lighter with the savings? 😀

11 06 2010
HenryTheBeagle

Like the farmers and transport companies?

11 06 2010
urbanreverie

Nine inch television screens, Bogue? I knew that miniaturisation of electronics was advancing at rapid pace, but I doubt the bogan would wish to possess a home entertainment system of a size that is so un-maxtreme! 😉

11 06 2010
Tubesteak

And when they sell us cheap products the bogan complains about all those cheap products from Choynah taking money away from the local manufacturers.

But the bogan loves those Palsonic plasma TVs that are cheap at Bing Lee right now

11 06 2010
James Hunter

Antipajero and Boug
Firstly, any capitalist is dependent on their market. They after all can only sell to someone who wants to buy their product. In this case we are talking mineral resources and coal and iron ore and natural gas particularly though bauxite and yellowcake are both substantial earners.
The main markets for Iron ore and coal are to people who produce steel or sor steaming coal power as is natural gas.
This limits us to China and Japan mostly although progress is being made on natural gas to the USA.
So the bind is that unlike people making chocalates or bread they cannot easily change their markets and cannot at all change their products to say biscuits and toffee apples.
Australia used to have three steel manuufacturing facilities. but even at their height were small players world wide.
Unfortunately once one supplies ones raw materials to ones customers so that they may use newer larger mills with cheaper labour to produce ones own product one can not reclaim that same market.
Take note of the large amounts of steel now imported to this country.A lot is already value added by rolling into sections and/or galvanizing redy for sale.
The one raw material where we could value add is yellow cake. we could process it into fuel rods and lease these to world users on a use it and return for exchange basis. This would make much more money for australia it would give us much more say about how and where uranium is used and if we provide a synroc(patented CSIRO process for sstabilising waste into stone for long storage) storage facility then we would be the only country offering a whole of life service.
Only flaw in this concept is that it is to simple, to sensible and would make this country to much money. well f2345 me.
Only other point I make is that this whole capitalist free market junket must inevitanbly fail. It is like a poker game. each country sits down with 100 dollars each .At the end of the night one or two have all the chips and the rest can only play by borrowing from the ones with their money. Free trade is just this. Every country cannot simultaneously make money.There must be loosers where poor people work for nothing.

11 06 2010
Bogue

Losers.

11 06 2010
Tubesteak

Good example using poker however wrong conclusion

In poker all you need is a good hand or a good bluff and you can win your money back

The world economy and trading is similar. As the products and demand changes countries will experience a differing mix of competitive and absolute advantages. Thus no one will remain at the top for long.

Think of it like world superpowers. The Dutch and Spanish were superpowers. Then the British became dominant. Then the US and Russia fought it out. Now it’s really just the US but they are faltering. Next it will be……….

11 06 2010
Bogue

I concur Tubesteak, there’s a lot more to playing the game and remaining on top than simply holding a good hand and playing a polker face, your supply of peanuts may dry up, your drink may run out, someone may even pull your chair out from underneath you.

11 06 2010
James Hunter

Bogue,
It could be worse your wife and her toy boy might come in through the bat wing doors ?

11 06 2010
Bogue

Gasp! At the very same time I realise that Le Chiffre has laced my martini!!!

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

That sums up neatly in an analogy where Australia is at present: a game of poker so far played mixture of poker face, strategic betting, some blatant bluff and sometimes holding the cards. But Oz has borrowed some gaming chips and its well-timed luck or required concentration cannot indefinitely last.

That’s the danger in such high stakes…blink or sneeze, you’re stuffed.

11 06 2010
James Hunter

Tubesteak,
The establishment of a boss hog in the pecking order of nation, to mix my metaphores is very different now to when the scenarios you refer to occoured in one important way.
Nowadays every country is aspirational, every country wants to make and sell motorcars world wide or whatevers. They all want western affluence and services and most of them have nothing to trade.
These states peoples are the terrorisdts of tommorrow as they come to realise they have no legitamate way of meeting their expectations.

11 06 2010
James Hunter

Bit of a box on between India and Pakistan, which will have china and india in the red and blue corners, Israel will use the distraction to thump Iran and Lebanon just cause they can then Turkey will have a go at Iraqu cause they always wanted to. Thailand will sieze Burma annd south korea will use chinas distraction with india to clobber north korea. just befor half time Usa and Russia will use up a few dozen nukes each against the muslim nations of their choice and then we all get back to loving each other and saying the reason we did it was because (insert Diety of your choice) was on your side.

I hope im not around to see the wash up afterwards.

11 06 2010
Bogue

Prime example James, instability in India and Pakistan preventing them from usurping China as an economic power, not to mention China’s plan to dam India’s water supply. Who will be watching from Mars when it all unravels?

11 06 2010
James Hunter

Yep, Mars be a good place to be. Alot of servivors may all get in boats and head to the last bit bit of dirt with only christmas island to stop them

11 06 2010
Bogue

Or at least the migrant processing installation at Phobos.

12 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

phobos is full of monsters!
didn’t you play Doom?

12 06 2010
James Hunter

Chubby,
But so we are told is christmas island a.k.a “The Island of Gloom” appologies to Enyid Blyton
Must say though that the concept of admitting that any boat person could be a terroist is right. It is an oibvious way to infiltrate and for the terriost is win win. if they get in its win if they get holed up on christmas island for years then they can agitate and spread their poison while there while their mates the crooked lawyers rev up the stupider elements of the press.?which is a win

15 06 2010
Lol_plates

It’s not monsters It’s demons after we opened a gate way to.Hell didn’t you read the but at the end?

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

It’s just a lot of middlemen on the make. A completely unsustainable situation, with all of those bulk carriers plying across the oceans, carting goods off to a few densely concentrated (and resultantly, heavily polluted) industrial zones to be processed, only to be shipped back on similarly gargantuan container carriers, in the process making brokers, shipping operators and distribution logistics companies extra money, while burning maxxtreme amounts of hydrocarbon fuels.

It may be a model of efficiency at present, yet once peak oil starts to bite (we’ve most likely reached it already, in fact), then this model will be thrown into disarray, especially if industry continues to tow the line of “business as usual”. Ultimately, it’ll be better to have decentralised industry, which although there’s less in it for those who move and shift the stuff, is a far more sustainable long-term bet.

11 06 2010
AA

It’s funny reading your reader’s criticism of bogan reactions to the mining tax. Sure, bogans don’t understand the complexities and economic implications of the tax, but neither do any of you.

11 06 2010
Pandabater

Could you please help us out then AA? 10Kev couldn’t explain clearly how to open a can of baked beans & the mining industry calls 10Kev a communist despot who is trying to nationalise the mining industry. What hope have we got?

11 06 2010
AntiPajero

OK, AA. I’ll bite. I invite you to correct my perceptions of both the industry and the tax.

Australian mining [insert file “Quiet and polite cough.mp3”] industry:

Big holes in the Australian land and economy all the way to China to pay for another 18 holes in Dubai.

Implications of a tax on said [insert file “Quiet and polite cough.mp3”] industry:
– More money to ultimately develop non-hole related Australian economic activity.
– Smaller wages for bogan moiners, if the increased tax costs aren’t passed onto Chinese industry instead, [insert file “blatant cackle.mp3”] .
– More money invested by super funds into non-hole related ventures, because last time I checked, none of them held onto falling stocks out of boganomic solidarity.

Over to you, sir AA.

11 06 2010
Simon - Glasser at Arms

Good job AA. Hard to argue against that.

11 06 2010
Simon - Glasser at Arms

Sorry meant AP.

11 06 2010
Bogue

[insert file “blatant cackle.mp3”]

11 06 2010
AntiPajero

I know. That’s why I wear a glass-proof waistcoat.

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Just friendly fire: hey, what’s a glassin’ between glassers?

11 06 2010
AntiPajero

Yair, It’s not as though we glassin’ can’t.

11 06 2010
AA

AP –

You seem to have an unreasonable idealogical bias against the very concept of mining, and dismissive of mining endeavours as wholly undeserving of the profits they generate.

This is a commonly held view among the left and those generally unaware of basic economic concepts.

Why, for example, is it better to focus capital and human resources from what you term ‘hole related ventures’ to ‘non-hole related ventures’? Further, what non-hole related ventures would you like to see more of? Government sponsored French literature festivals?

I believe that you do not fully appreciate the role of extracting raw minerals within the value chain that is ultimately used to create and develop the built environment we live in. The computer you are using now, would not be affordable without efficient processes and the work of trained engineers, managers and miners. And yet, you cannot even bring yourself to consider what they do an ‘industry’.

Raw minerals, like many natural resources, have no inherent value to society untouched. It is funny how insistent you are that these clumps of rock you never knew about remain beneath the earth, instead of being utilised to develop products that improve people’s lives.

The mere announcement of this unprecedented tax has already resulted in several projects to be shelved, as companies look overseas for sites that are less efficient because they are further away from Asia, and have less developed mining infrastructure than Australia. Excellent timing – make projects unprofitable in a highly cyclical industry when demand and prices are at record highs due to China’s rapid development (and consequently pulling millions of people out of poverty due to moving away from an economic system I imagine you are somewhat sympathetic toward).

So yes, fuck mining! Because anyone can develop efficient systems and processes for extracting and processing raw minerals. I suppose you could it for free if the big mining companies just got out of your way?

Why stop at redirecting profits from ‘hole-related industries’? Let’s penalise house builders – since they are simply profiting from the same minerals once they have been taken out of the ground. Let’s penalise the manufacturers that make things from those minerals (okay, most of them are in China). Let’s penalise retailers who sell the shit made from natural resources. Do you consider any of these proper industries?

13 06 2010
pb

did you quote this directly from the minerals council of australia?

16 06 2010
CK

As a hairy arsed miner myself – cannot help but add the following – hopefully, AP, this might help you understand they way mining companies work

When a mining company is deciding to expand a mine or start a new operating, it looks at the finances of the operation in terms of PESTEL factors – Political risk, Environmental risk, Social impact, Taxation regime, Economic and Legal/Legislative environment. The mining company will have an internal hurdle rate for each of these factors. The sum of these rates is the percentage at which the project needs to return money for it to be considered worthy of investment – otherwise the shareholders might just as well leave their money in the bank.

By increasing the tax that the mining companies need to pay in Australia, the hurdle rate – rate of return of investment, or IRR – required for projects in Australia becomes higher. Essentially this means that, where in the past the company might have had $1 billion to invest and chose to do it in Australian projects rather than those in places like PNG, which would have a higher political risk, now the PNG projects might give a better rate of return.

So while Twiggy might feel some pain in the short term, because he is heavily invested in projects in Australia and is therefore painted into a corner – guess what the real big boys are going to do? They will invest their money elsewhere. Expansion projects of existing mines will not be worthwhile, so essentially the government would have engaged in sterilising portions of deposits – it will no longer be economically viable to mien the areas of low grade, so they will be left in the ground. Which is excellent as far as AP is concerned…

So why are us miners up in arms about this? Well…

In simple terms – for every 1 job existing in a primary industry (AP, lets see you pull a couple of 12 hour shifts in 45 degree heat on a 2 and 1 shift roster, and we’ll talk again about how industrious miners are), 4 jobs exist in direct support of it in the service and retail sectors. This is in Australian terms – in Africa it is closer to 25 jobs. And no, I don’t have a publicly available source for this data, unfortunately, but sit and have a quiet think about it – much like the laws of thermodynamics, economic value can be neither created nor destroyed, it merely changes hands – that’s why they are called PRIMARY industries, AP…

Approximately 150,000 people are currently employed by mining in Australia. That’s 600,000 indirect jobs existing in the Australian economy as a result of mining. In a country of 20 million that is a significant proportion of the workforce that are now exposed to the effects of increased taxation.

This assessment also ignores the effect that the declining profitability of the mining companies as a result of the increased cost of mining in Australia will have on super funds, which are heavily invested in Australian primary industries. Not all of us have climbed onto the greed train re. investment properties…right, TBL?

The reality is that by imposing this tax on companies operating in Australia, it makes it less affordable for mine here, and the companies will be driven to seek deposits elsewhere. While this is great for long term sustainability, as the Australian deposits will therefore only become affordable as the dwindling supply in the remainder of the world pushes up supply cost, in the short to medium term it is unlikely to help Australia out – the mining companies will make their profits offshore. And of course once the Australian deposits become financially attractive again, it will be at the point where they will NOT be making huge profits, so the tax won’t kick in anyway.

So in the short term – if this tax kicks in we will see the steady erosion of a fair percentage of those 150,000 direct and 600,000 indirect jobs on Australian soil, as better profits can be made elsewhere, and the increased tax rate makes the hurdle rates associated with the political instability of working in countries in Asia and Africa acceptable risks.

So, the proposed tax isn’t going to be taking money out of Twiggy’s pocket (for long, anyway). What is will do is remove a portion of a primary industry that directly provides the funds for the coffee shops, theatres, financial services etc that are the province of us inner city dwellers.

AP – what other primary industries are you going to invest in mate? Agriculture? Fishing? Forestry? As someone mentioned earlier, Australian labour is generally not competitive at the “value adding” or manufacturing part of the value chain. Service industries don’t create value – they move it around. Australia is turning into a service driven economy, much like America and the UK – without primary industry to create value, these economies are much more reliant on the global economy to keep afloat. Why would you want to drive a primary industry offshore at this point?

If you go to Africa at the moment and spend some time on the mines there, you will be amazed by how many Aussies are working there – the African countries that had mining drove it offshore decades ago as a result of political instability, and now the profits from those mines are being taken offshore and the jobs are being down by expats because there is no longer the in-country capability.

AP – who would you rather be ship wrecked with? A miner, a management consultant, a farmer, an investment banker or a hair dresser? We may be bogans, but at least we have real skills…

So, go for your life boys, lots to get your knackers all twisted about…(yup, a hairy arsed GIRL miner!)

11 06 2010
T-ra

So please enlighten us all AA, what are the complexities and economic implications of the tax? You have no idea what I do for a living or my understanding of the tax, so you had better decide whether you think you can baffle myself and the rest of the contributors to this page with your bullshit or whether we will actually call bullshit on anything you may have to say. Will be waiting…

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Well, at least we make an effort to try to understand the greater implications, beyond what’s in it for me, me, me!

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Turnips

I try to understand and without TBL my understanding would be far less.

AA is a bogan, with bogan ideas, and therefore can’t think outside the box.

13 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinky,
Alcoholics Anonomous is some undergrad out to inpress people with even less of a grasp of reality them he has himself, Bit like Peter.
I have only bothered on one previous occasion to reply to him as I realy do not want to encourage people like that, Its like finger painting. No intellectual value but a distraction to chlidren and those in therapy.

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

Yes, I agree JH, with the likes of BB and Your own personal blog-stalker, Peta.

The fact that ‘AA’ is named after a religitard organisation says it all really.

😀

How you doin’ the long weekend JH?

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

PS
**Steps on soap box**
Does it seem to you, that those with the least knowledge are always the ones to critise most audibly?

I know nothing of Tax, all I know is it seems fair that those with most, pay the most. Seems a bit “der fred’ to me.

You all have such excellent knowledge base on not only Australian politics but internationally that I don’t need to consult the ghastly papers, far more likely to get a wider view of what is really going on.*

And from both the left and the right.

The more bogan bribe watch goes on, the more I want to move to the TBL Commune. I fear we are in the minority and the CUB/NaB/BoB are still very much in control and have both sides by the short and curlies and we are stuck in the middle, we’re criticised to distraction about being “intellectual snobs” but these people are only alive from heart disease, diabetes and obesity because of snobs. There kids are doped to the eyeballs on mood stabilisers for a disorder they have probably encouraged all made by snobs. Without those intellectual snobs , these idiots would be dead. But, being a humane society we provide them with services to lengthen their lives.

Without snobs they wouldn’t able to work in the bloody mines that they think is their right rather than their privilege. Without Engineers, Soil testers, labs etc; they would be bludging on dole bitching about intellectual snobs.

I’m so sick of the ‘must have it now’ and ‘me me me’ attitude of these bogan’s that I just want to glass some c*nt. Then sadly becoming one of them.

Why are they the only one’s who deserve “stimulus packages” while everyone else gets a ‘hand out’. When questioned more closely they can only ape a stupid commercial.

*Gets off soap box**

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

* BB & Co. Not included.

13 06 2010
Mick

*makes soothing noises*

It’s ok Pinky. We understand.

I can tell you I’ve tried. Because it may affect my job I have read as much as I can about this whole thing. And like you, listened to a lot of far better educated people than myself.

I continually have facts, figures, research etc to try and back up my side of the debate and 90% of the time all I hear back is some cliche and “We’ll be rooned.”

And then the accusation that I’m up myself when bogan-type is on the defensive. It frustrates me. I think I need to glass someong as well.

*Plays Girl from Impanema inside head*

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

**sings along to girl from Impanema and gets the words and tune wrong but sings anyway**

Feel much soothed. Thank you Mick.

See I told you, you’re not a bogan. Fancy listening to others…

If you’re a bogan, you’re a shit at it. 😉

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

*your shit at it.

the extra ‘a’ was your gift with purchase… 😀

13 06 2010
James Hunter

If I tell you that your a great contributor ,a great looker and a fantastic cook, will I get a set of steak knives ?

13 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinky,
“Empty vessels make the most sound” , although , dont know where that leaves Kepler Vessels?

The constant spruking of both their own half thought out opinions along with the renditions of whatever the “Talking Heads” are on about is a way , I think, of compensating for their own subliminal feelings of inadequacy.

One of the othe annoying things they do as soon as you start to answere then they stop listening as their brain has to devote all effort to the construction of their next reply.
This means that they never understand and always talk of the point.

What say you?

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

I’ll take your lack of concentration and up you one: “I dunno where I read it, but I read it somewhere, and they said it was shit so it must be shit” citation of reference, while I can back up my argument with many references, pretty much off the top of my head. I hate it when they say, “Well, you don’t live in the real world”, “Well where the fuck do I live moron. I am governed by the same laws as you. I have the same social responsibilities as you, the difference between you and me is I don’t think anyone owes me anything and I’m not always worried what “everyone” else is getting”. Just bleating about the “Aussie Battler” whom they assume they are and I just want to say, “Shut up, you don’t live in a slum (technically) and you have an overpaid job. What more do you bloody want!”

But that’s just me JH.

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ JH,

I would say you are surely lying, Sir. I don’t contribute nearly as well as the rest, I learn more than I share. I’m a bit selfish. 😉

13 06 2010
James Hunter

Ah, Pinky, you are on to me, you see I did not say any of those things are true ! I only ask
ed “if I said them would I get the steak knives” !!

Im am sure I too learn more than I share or at least I do hope so.
The day we stop learning is the day we die. Also it is possible to learn from every body or any body in as much as it is a bit like “out of the mouths of babes and sucklings” ?
Psalms 8:2 King James Version of the Holy Bible.
I new the quote but not where it came from so I had to look it up. You see how it is?

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

About the only true thing the bible has said JH 😀

I will give you the steak knives if you promise not to suck up…

How do you know what I look like? tee hee

13 06 2010
martin

I think you could get away with at least 5 glassings before you would be a bogan Pinky.

What’s a BoB? Boomer bogan?

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

Bogan of Bogan’s 😀 I stole this from one of the contributors. Thank you to who ever coined this. 😀

13 06 2010
James Hunter

Hi Pinky,

Yep the world is full of people who just use up air and foodand make shit. What my dad used to say about some of the less usefull farm dogs. they were “turners”. they turned meat into shit.

The weekend, thanks for asking , is not much realy. Yeasterday self and mrsH spent all day on computers looking at different Mediteranean cruises and interminable variations on shore content. Realy need to put it on Excel to make quick sense of it.
Today: extra exciting! Unpacking linen press and wardroabs ,sorting and repacking into two new linen presses.Then took a whole boot full of old towels, sheets curtains and pillows to a friends house who hase a number of “home stay” residences and can always use hand me downs.
Tommorrow it is mount a bed head in the guest room and make some space in our shed for furniture from fatherinlaws estate. Just till I figure where to sell it or give it away. If I get realy brave I might wash the two Beagles. and write some copy for new flyers for the show. Need to photoshop some pics for the web site which realy need s an update.

All boring stuff realy .

Next week or soon after might go up to Valla to visit the brotherinlaw and check out the house he is almost finished building and then continue up to Armidale to my own brother just to say howdey. Just a three day trip.
so thats about it in the world of JH at the moment.
You have a nice rest of break yourself.

\

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

JH,

We two aren’t venturing to far from Casa de P!nky but are having friends over for the mini P!inky’s or they will hound us with “I’m board” till our ears bleed.

I’m also pretending to care about the AFL. 😀 Which I am doing a poor job of as I keep interrupting Mr P!nky with inane questions about the inner deaths of my Mac and other mad woman style ramblings. He secretly loves it, but pretend to be annoyed 😉

Glad you’re having a good one and it still perplexes me that you hang stuff from yer doodle…

😀

Yours
Pinkelstien.

13 06 2010
James Hunter

Hi, Pinky,
Im off to finish the lamb shanks i have been slow roasting. need to uncover and crisp up a bit pluss some hash browns that been hanging round the freezer for a while and probably some just cooked carrotts with ditto brocolli. then they dogs will love me again as they get the bones.
I like cooking and love lamb shanks cooked slow so they all gelatinous inside. Only thing better is Pork Hocks either fresh or pickled cooked the same way.
Cheers
JH

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Hey P!nky, I might respectfully take some issue with your appellation of “religitard’ to Alcoholics Anonymous: this mutual self-help organisation has helped a great deal of people overcome their drinking problems, and very effectively, as does the sister counterpart for friends and relatives of the alcoholic, Al-Anon. Despite the fact that it was originally founded upon the notion of believing in a higher power and therefore achieving a “spiritual awakening”, they did come to fully accept that there are many amongst us who do not believe in a deity, but instead encourage them to put consider an alternative “higher power”: it can be as simple as instilling your faith in the group itself or as broad as the awe of the greater universe, as something to assign as an agency beyond themselves; this allows people the step outside of a solipsistic view, which when you’re in a negative or self-destructive mindset, is not helpful. It is however, not a substitute for abdicating all responsibility and this is where it draws critique; unfortunately some adherents (of both the 12-Step methods and religion) do just that, rather than using either as a tool to aid in keeping perspective and gratitude for whatever is good in their lives. These misguided folks really muck it up for those who are sincere in their beliefs…not all of those of faith should be tarred with the same brush as those who are not entirely unjustly labelled as religitards, literalists or fundies.

I have personally benefitted from the sharing and growth in Al-Anon, having had an alcoholic father, from knowing that I’m not on my own there and that one can rise above. And never once did I ever feel compelled to accept God in the traditional Abrahamic sense. That was always explicitly a matter of conscience and has no bearing on how one takes their course in recovery.

Just a pity that one amongst us in the forum, who seems to like to agitate with little insight, reason or purpose beyond antagonism, uses such a moniker.

I hope, P!nky, that I have afforded a differing, yet reasonable perspective for your consideration. But at least some of us here (you amongst them) can argue divergent points with respectfulness and tact…that’s what I like about TBL. Trolls notwithstanding, but give a dose of a considered counterpoint, without ad hominem attacks, they tend to go back into their foxholes.

Viva la difference!

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Turnips,

First let me apologise for my flippant remark, which was not intended to offend. Your issue, as always, is thoughtfully put. I am the last person who can or would critise anyone with an addiction. Please know had no intention to insult you. AA yes, you no.

I do take issue with religion being involved in psychiatric practices, on all levels, but that’s not about bogans and as most know I am an Atheist that should pretty much cover that topic. **read doesn’t want to start that religion v science thread** 😉

I have been sitting here for ages writing and re-writing my response. I am not as skilled at expressing myself as you. I wish I could, then we could have a lovely debate over separation of church and state.

What I am trying to say, in my usual, awkward way, is that while I see and whole heartily acknowledge the hard work that volunteers within the religious sector have done. I question the under lying need for belief at all.

Turnips, I come to TBL for the same reason’s as you. I don’t watch commercial television so I come on here and have everyone explain to me what the hell after the blogs are about. I didn’t know who that tennis chick was and there are other posts that conclude I am happily sheltered away from the maxxtreme glitz and glam of nein, seven, and ten. Happily have NO idea about SATC or masterchef. which gives me no end of peace. 😀

The regular’s are awesome* (you guys know who I mean) have given me cause to jump out of my seat shouting “Yippee, I’m not the only one!” scaring the shit out of my poor cat as he falls out of my lap!

Anyhoo, I believe you and I agree on nearly everything and that’s cool, because I am constantly learning from you and the others.

And when we do over throw the bogan government, all will be well again…

😀

*Peter and BB not included

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinky,
Who’s Peter?
BAHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry,
What is Peter?
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

I thought Peter was a femme-bot released by McDonald’s to infiltrate Hungry Jacks. His mission is to find out if in fact the burgers are better at Hungry Jacks.

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Thanks Pinky,
What is this new menace? do we call it “full Stop” or maybe more appropriately “Period”
Yep For me “Period” works’
What say Pinkelstein and Chubster ??

14 06 2010
.

haha, so immature, seriously

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

What are you an American high school student? Seriously…

**rolls eyes**

14 06 2010
.

that’s it ??

only a highschooler rights *rolls eyes*

the lameness of it all

14 06 2010
.

writes…oh before the grammar police come….

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinkelstein,
Period can’t be an American High School Student because most of them are fairly well read and literate.
??

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ .

“Lameness” HAHAHA sorry your an 80 American High School Students.

Of course I roll my eyes, it’s better than wasting my breath on the likes of you.

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Hey, no worries P!nky, I wasn’t exactly offended in the first joint, just thought I’d clarify where I stood. But that’s alright when I’m talking with reasonable non-bogues and recovering bogans, like our worthwhile regulars are, because I know that none of you would try to offend each other, even if we don’t all quite have the same perspective. It’s just the reactionary agitators (and we know who they are too) who add no value to the debate, other than to slag off at personalities rather than issues.

Also, I’m pleased to say that I’ve never watched Master Bait, Photoshopped Glamour In The City, Desperate Stereotypes, MILF Town or Poncing With Teh Has-Beens. Nor do give The Sun King, The Other Kerry or Packer Jr. any of my entertainment dollars, at least knowingly anyway. The only Kerry in the meeja that gets my attention is the Red Kezza version, thanks!

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

I don’t know anything about blogs, but it would be nice to have a PM function on here, but I think that’s a forum thing.

I wont let these people *chokes* stop me from coming here. I’ve decided to not contribute on the FB page. Too many idiots just posting shit to slag other people off. I grew out of that mentality in about year nine I think.

Is there no sanctuary!!

Which sector do you work in? I know it’s community, but which sub?

I am hoping to go into research when I have my glossy piece of paper.

@ JH

Maybe Dot?

Dunno.
😉

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

@ P!iky

I work in the disabilities sector, in direct care, while I study at uni in occupational therapy. I get a strong sense of purpose in doing something to make better the lives of others in positions of disadvantage, having had to crawl up myself as well from mental illness. This is the root of my sense of social justice.

And the other collateral benefit of doing this work is that I don’t feel as if I’m just a functionary in the economy, merely oiling the cogs in the production of units of consumption. I’ve been there and there is a role for that, but when it’s production just for the sake of economic growth and fuelling a conspicuous level of consumption, that is both soul destroying and unsustainable.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Turnips

I use to work in Palliative/Geriatric Care as a nurse. I too got a lot out my work. It wasn’t a job sometimes, it was a pleasure. Such a reward and all for a few silly jokes (my Gerries PT’s) and for holding the hand of someone sick at their last moments. It has changed my perspective from wanting a corporate job to wanting to work with/for the benifit of others.

I live with mental illness*, rather severely, and have crawled my way out of a lot of really shit situations. I hope to take my experience, self taught (mostly) knowledge and help others. Whether it’s a quick email about service providers or a long email about more complex psycho-analysis.

If we just stopped looking a people as a race or a religion things would be so much easier. We all come from the same gene pool at the end of the day. Why can’t we just treat each other like “a brother from another mother”

I become very passionate about mental health, I am one of the ‘lucky’ ones who is under the high functioning banner, I need to stick up for my less able brethren. If someone picks on someone vulnerable and I am within ear shot, I will stand up and fight for them.

I have had shots at bogans and hipsters a like for parking in disabled parking. Have written terse notes (I know scary huh? lol) to people who openly disregard other peoples needs.

I say be passionate. We wont get heard other wise. The din of the bogan can’t drown us all out.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

* anyone who takes a pot shot at my mental health you will go down.

Friendly joking is fine, but anything rude and I’ll set Chubby on ya.

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinky ,
I am with you 100% mon the mental health comments and I too have personal experiences,both myself though more especially mrsH.who has had many “visits away”
If any one takes the mental health fight to you then asside from Chubster you can count on me.
Those with out experience should have the sense to be careful of what they say. Unfortunately a lot of them equate mental health issues with other personal qualities like intelligence or willingness to work.
Grrrrrrrrrr
Guess generally it gets up my goat when people rabbit on about things about which they have no experience and no knowledge other then hearsay and scraps from the media. Talking heads are the curse of the world some times especially when compounded by the gullibility of the masses.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ JH

Thank you.

I hope Mrs H has found some remission and send her my warmest regards.

If you ever need anything, advice, services, or a shoulder to whinge on, don’t ever hesitate to holler at me. I know you are probably well versed in the ‘system’ but sometimes fresh eyes can bring some new ideas.

I’m sorry that you and Mrs H have had this burden to bear. Mr Pinky, like you of Mrs H, is steadfast in his support of me and my therapies.

Thanks again JH.

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinky,
Yes, it is a lomg trip but after 33 years I am more determined then ever to “be there’ and to sort the wheat from the straw with some of the more self indulgent “specialists”.
We went through a couple of periods where the medical advice and treatments were completely of target.
We are finally realy getting somewhere but a large part of that has been by us being more agressifve with those treating her. In so much as I do not take anything from anyone as gospel untill i have researched it myself.
Doctors who will not discuss with me or who answere questions with statements like”I am an experet, i have years to the N of experience just take my word for it” get no where anymore.
I insist on details and facts.
On at least three occasions I have been instrumental in preventing real disasters.
Anyway, back of soap box.
Thanks and If I have a need i may well run it past you.
Thanks
Pinky.

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

@ P!nky

Any debate about separation of church and state between would be over rapidly, as you’ll find that I’ll most likely be in furious agreement with you there. Freedom of religion, as well as freedom from religion. No one ought to have any particular spiritual dogma imposed on high as a condition of full franchise in society and that one enters into a belief system on their own free will with informed consent.

Freedom of whether or not to believe is something that is a personal matter of conscience to me and that we do not impose our own strictures upon those of whom we may not agree with. Same view applies to the freedoms of
sexuality and association, as long there’s informed consent and no coercion.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ turnips

Well that debate was over fast. LOL

I wish I could have freedom FROM religion. But that’s another story.

I say, if you want to practice a spiritual life, knock yourself out. I like to ask questions of religious people, but have a fear that if I admit my Atheism one of two things will happen.

1) Religious folk get on the defensive, not listen to my opinion but blame my lack of ‘faith’ an idea that I can’t reconcile myself with. If I point out scientific facts I get more “Well you don’t have faith’ speeches.

OR;

2) I will be confused with a devil worshipper.

I prefer the devil worshipper one…easier to talk about 😉

I am big on “If you are both willing, go for it. Just be safe”

You’re a good egg Turnips

How long till you have your degree?

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

@ P!nky:

Three years, so still early days. Just unwinding from an exam now; nothing like robust debate as something to ease my mind after the slog of testing!

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Turnips

I’m a loser first year…I love it.

Behavioural Science is my gig and am hoping to be good enough to go into research.

I’ve had to defer next semester (heart audibly shatters) due to mental health. BUT I will be back on track for next semester.

I look forward to enjoying exam period with you next year. Finger and toes I’ll be be able to see the year out. WOOT

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Similar story, but lucky I’ve factored that in and the lecturers all know, so I work along with that, even though it can be a drag at times in not always being on pace with the rest of my colleagues, despite my good marks.

11 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

no.
we don’t.

11 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

I just hate capitalists.

11 06 2010
James Hunter

Chubby,
Acholics Anomous is undoubtedly an expert.
My view is if we dont rip a fair share from the capitalists now when they are done we will be like Naru. No minerals left to sell and owing money all over.
Some idiots do not think which I suppose is how they are ignorant of the blindingly obvious. What we will be left with will be “Holes In The Ground” not much market for them unless we can figure how to cut them into small pieces and sell them as swimming pools ?Maybe store the water that used to come down from where Cubby Station is now? Oh they are more greedy capital;ists with a F@#$ everyone else attitude.How could I forget.
Perhaps we could use them sensibly to store water melted from icebergs by clean cheap neuclear energy?
Whatever, Twiggy and his capitalist breatheren wont be leading the charge unless they work a way of making another obscene load of money for it.

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

I hate capatalism to Chubby.

14 06 2010
.

Suddenly Facebook has become a conduit for spreading capitalist ideology”

We can only hope so. If it is, it will serve as a monumental achievement. It will lift millions out of poverty, bring freedom and choice to billions, and improve the quality of life for all of us.

Spread-on Facebook

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Now we know your a dick head for sure.
Capitalism relies on the poor working for minimum wages and relies on some countrys being permanent debtor nations.
Dont forget Capitalist greed gave us the world financial crisis. Not the poor bloody peasants.
You sound like a member of the Young Liberals who has studied Economics I. Im sure you understand that the study of economics is the study of failed theories and the study of theories about to fail. They do not study any FACTS.
and the young liberals are like country cream. Yellow, Thick and fullof Clots.

13 06 2010
big_baggies

you’re a fat dickhead, who cares what you think ?

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

To Whom are you referring BB?

14 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

wrong!
I’ve seen the pictures.
😉

not that it matters

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

Chubby have you found me on Facebook? Show yourself man! LOL

No I’m not fat, maybe fat with a ‘ph’, maybe that’s what our ‘voluptuous’ friend here is meaning. She prolly leff skool fah the rool world when she was 16’n’ shit. BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@ BB
As for YOU Madam, I believe you show yourself for what you are every time you post something here. You don’t need help from me. You are A typical CUB. All rights, no responsibility arse hat.

End Transmission

14 06 2010
.

and you’re a dickhead, you will find the meaning in a dictionary.

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Period, you and BB should hook up, two dick heads togeather, you could impress the shit out of each other.
Oh, yes I do realise that is VERY ambiguous

14 06 2010
.

awwww..You seem angry 🙂

14 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

oh,
you mean me?

wrong again.
187cm
96kilo’s

you’re the one with “fat” in your name.
‘tho I’m sure that’s referring to the stuff which keeps your ears apart.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

I knew you were a hotty Chubby…

14 06 2010
.

I bet you cannot even define

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Come on smart ass, define your own terms first, bet you are just busting to show us all how much smarter then the rest or the world you are.

14 06 2010
.

‘smart ass’

spells like an American

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Period, you smell like a septic.
Ha de Ha…………………………………………………ha

14 06 2010
.

you seem a little upset

🙂

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Period
You do me a dis-service sir, mildly amused would be a more accurate descriptor.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ JH

Don’t go there. You’re using big words which is bound to confuse the poor soul. Breath in and out and forget about this noob.

Too much bandwidth wasted already on this Arse Clown (Thanks Mick)

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinky,
You are ,as usual ,spot on.
Mwah

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

JH,

Anytime 😉

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ JH

No I am thinking more of the cliché American high school student as represented in such movie’s of the Great John Hughes.

“Like a totally wanna be, like.”

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

It’s that entitlement mentality that sh!ts me to tears all the time about the mining industry: they think that they should not only have to pay more more tax for making a very handsome profit for digging up raw minerals that are really a part of the nation’s common wealth (thus belonging to us all), but also demand handouts.

What a mendacious mob of mendicants. Far worse than any two-bit welfare fraudster. No wonder they love employing bogans: let self-interest be the rule, what’s in it for me and I deserve to be subsidised, just coz, y’know, f*ck eh!

As one of those very few West Australians who don’t think that without our mining wealth, the rest of the country is a shot bird, I am very much in a minority and I am generally careful of whom I discuss these views with: I like to suss them out by probing their opinions on slightly less controversial topics and determining whether or not they are of like mind. As a result, I tend to shy away from the mediocracy who think that we are in such a great economic position solely because of mining and that to tax those who make grand profit would leave us rooned, and that these companies will just up stumps and dig somewhere else. What bunkum and poppycock. Sure there are other (developing) countries that might seem cheaper to set up and not too many obvious red-tape barriers to overcome. But go in deeper, then there’s all manner of shenanigans that sprout up unexpectedly in those banana republics, like paying off officials and unpredictable military forces that could stage a coup d’état at the drop of a hat. At least we don’t have anywhere near the corruption and opacity of most of these other less-developed nations: if that’s the cost of doing business in a developed country, then so be it.

We cannot have a repeat of the previous boom, which effected a two-speed economy, which does little to promote social cohesion and equity, as well as affording a false sense of wealth, entirely driven by speculation. It’s time these spivs and speculators were brought to heel and pay their fair share, as well as perhaps moderating some of their maxxtreme tendencies, of which the CUB workin’ on the moines thinks that they can emulate. Coupled with the privatisation of debt (that was Costello’s magic trick to putting a lid on Gov’t debt: get John & Jane Taxpayer up to the gunwales in personal indebtedness, via financial deregulation, halving of the CGT, sustained historically-low interest rates and diminished availability of public/social housing, creating an unsustainable asset bubble, entirely financed by private debt) and erosion of public services and infrastructure (where direct “user-pays” has been promoted), there is a social disaster waiting to rupture. Somehow thus far, we’ve escaped the full fury of the GFC, but the Lucky C*nt’s day will come.

If we return some of these dividends back into to the community into infrastructure—both physical and psychosocial—then when China says “we can no longer finance Global North debt, so we can no longer continue the co-dependent economic relationship, thus we have no need to manufacture all these products, so we don’t need your raw commodities”, we can soften the blow to some degree. Needless to say, when the hammer falls, the mining magnates and their then-not-so-CUBs will be prating and pleading for special dispensation, like the charlatans and middle-class welfare cheats, at their core, they are.

Well, eff my brown dog: I’m ranting and raving a bit today. Must’ve had sh!t on the liver, or something…

11 06 2010
James Hunter

BoT
Shit on the liver.Is that a west Australian Hors-d’oeuvre.?

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

I’m a vegetarian, so what would I know? But there seems to be a lot of it about.

“I guess I’m just one of those…”, to quote DC Root, from “I Still Call Australia ‘HO!'”.

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Oops. No [just] in the lyric.

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Turnips

I admire your posts and am amazed at your in depth understanding and ability to pass it on, so well, that even dumb arse here can understand. 🙂

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

P!inky, you ain’t dumb…let others do the dumbarsedness for you, for there’s no shortage of those jokers being takers. Hell, we even get some loitering around here to do the work for us on that front.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Turnips

True, I’m not a bogan so I can’t be that stupid. Haven’t done a short course either 😉

14 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

hear hear!

11 06 2010
HenryTheBeagle

Poor petal.

Don’t worry though, you will find there are plenty of people in WA who feel exactly the same way you do. You should try harder to seek them out. Then you can wallow in the collective bitterness of those who lack the will or skill to make the most of the windfall that the demand for commodities has provided your state. You can pool your condemnation of the greedy mining companies sense of entitlement; it is of course, no where near as legitimate as your own. Thank god KRudd is here. He’ll make sure mining companies redirect even more of their revenue away from cashing up the bogan who works for them and toward the pseudo-intellectual pontificating in the suburbs.

11 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

For a kick-off HTB, there’s no need for the ad hominem attack: play the issue, not the man, OK?

My sole interest is in the maintenance of a just and equitable society, whereby the greater national interest is of priority and for those who have success in their entrepreneurial pursuits, good for them, as long as they pay a fair duty upon reaping the bounty of the earth. But what irks me is their bleating and crocodile tears, as they have been accustomed to having too much of their own way for too long and having those in power doing their bidding.

I know that the ideas that I promulgate, in simpatico with the majority here on this blog, seem somewhat quaint, with novel concepts such as fairness and cake and all that other arrant nonsense. But the whole GFC was the endgame of letting self-interest take control of the wheel, along with a (what is showing to be a) misplaced faith in the Market. All it has revealed itself to be is a Ponzi scheme on a magnitude that would’ve possibly made its namesake either immensely proud, or blush with embarrassment. And as much as I disagree with KRudd on many of his policies, I agree with this one: it is long overdue that this odious status quo be challenged…if it doesn’t, we’ll ALL be worse off in the long term.

And this is coming from a reformed middle-class, blue-collar Wiberwal voter…I somehow went the opposite direction to how most people shift in their political perspective with age. Call it insight, wisdom, delusion, I don’t care. But whatever your opinions of me relative to my views, not here. Debate ideas, but keep any snarky personal critique to yourself.

12 06 2010
Mick

You think you have it tough? I work for these mining clowns.

Come with me one day and try and argue the point from the inside. I fear your head may explode. I know I’ve come close a few times.

12 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

That’s why I escaped that blue-collar-cum-middle-class ghetto and stay at arm’s length with those of whom I may be linked with, but otherwise not be in much concord with. It can put you at odds with certain members of the family and some long-standing acquaintances, of whom may be resistant to different perspectives.

I used to work in the building industry for a time: honest toil indeed, but great money, yet I felt like a fish out of water amongst those self-employed subbie types I worked alongside with. Couldn’t get into the boorish boys club culture that pervaded those building sites, so I left that and eventually came to work in the community services sector, of which I feel at home with. Took the drop in pay in my stride, content in the knowledge that I was being more true to myself.

So Mick, no, I wouldn’t try to convert from the inside, as I know full well that’d be a suicide mission. These blokes (and blokettes) will have to learn the hard way, when The School Of Rool Loife gives them a harsh tuition with the boot on the other foot.

11 06 2010
Mr Con

The minerals don’t belong to all of Australia, they belong to the individual states they are located in – therefore it should be the people of that state that benefit from the minerals that are dug up. Royalties are one of the few means for the State governments to raise revenue, the RSPT interferes with this by capping the level of royalties that will be credited back to the company.

The RSPT is a further means to take away states rights, requiring them to go begging to the federal government for pocket money.

With the majority of the population located on the east coast and party politics preventing the senate from operating as the states house, the federal parliament is very east coast centric and does not care about this side of the country.

I’d prefer to keep the power in our state parliament by rejecting this tax.

12 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

This is a good argument as to why the states should be abolished, as they are nothing more than a colonial anachronism, and that them and local councils be both replaced by mid-level regional governments, balanced between geographical and population size, somewhat like the Federal electorates perhaps, allowing for distributional changes whenever a new growth centre emerges. Much fairer, methinks.

Such parochialism is very much outdated, from a bygone era, for it fosters pointless (and often unhelpful) rivalries. I think of myself first-and-foremost as a citizen of the Earth, then Australia, only identifying myself as West Australian for purely geographical convenience, for I have no inordinate pride as such…go anywhere on this island continent, we are pretty much alike, in that wherever you go, it’s not completely alien, as the language, accent, some of the sports followed and most basic foods are much the same. Sure there are subtle differences, but it is not as if you’re going to go into total culture shock (yes, even most of the soy latte-sipping metrosexual non-red-meat-eating nimby pinko libtards here—like yours truly—OK, not all the epithets apply to me, but, hey! What’s a cheap stereotype amongst this blog?—can get by with a few minor adjustments and blend in with the scenery anywhere in this wide brown land, and still know that they are somewhere in Australia.

That’s my two cents worth, but I round it to nearest five, thus it’s free 🙂

12 06 2010
martin

So what’s wrong with WA anyhow? The east coast needs the dosh way more, especially Sydney in the form of roads and trains and shit.

Not that I have any confidence at all that this money will be spent on where it’s desperately needed. Labor seemingly can’t organise a root in a brothel.

12 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

We have, courtesy of the Wiberwal-National (Co*ntry) Party coalition as the State Government in WA; a condition of the coalition agreement (they’re not formal partners otherwise here) is a guarantee of good ol’ fashioned, rolled-gold pork-barreling, aka Royalties For Regions.

Some would say that there’s dire underinvestment in many regions (true) and to campaign for a similar level of amenity that is afforded in Perth for the key regional hubs, like Albany, Broome, Bunbury, Geraldton, Kalgoorlie or Port Hedland (I do support decentralisation, so would like to see services better spread). Yet some go cap in hand—not for valid and valuable projects, but end up with something that is frivolous and a bit “WTF?”, as a gift for currying favour with their state-level party functionaries, thus spending maximum dollar to benefit a relative (rather than a general) few. That’s what I believe is the tacit part of the RFR remit, so the city Libs can keep their hayseed partners on side.

12 06 2010
martin

Fair enough then. It’d be interesting to do the numbers honestly and see if there would be a possibility to make a train line or two per year in each capital city. Or at least one a year in one capital city. And even in your WA cities.

Of course the oil companies wouldn’t like trains would they. A lot of the old fart boomer nimbies wouldn’t care for it much either.

13 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Not wrong and well noted, martin. We’ve had two entire new train lines (including the $1b 80 km Mandurah line), as well as electrification of the existing three suburban lines, over the last twenty years. Quite remarkable, given how much Perth is addicted to motor cars (we had the country’s first freeway in 1959 and have one of the highest per capita ownership rates in the world, not just the highest in AU). There is talk of a sixth line going to a new growth corridor, northeast to Ellenbrook, would like to see it happen. Elecrification and the two new lines have proven even more successful than projections have anticipated, so I think there’s scope for more lines. Only issue for Perth is that when private motoring began its ascendancy, i.e. in the Post WWII aftermath, the population was about 350 000, with tram and trolley bus systems, each decommissioned completely by 1959 and 1969 respectively, which was . By the time such things as trains once again were considered desirable by the early 1990s, Perth had added nearly a million residents in that time, with the massive expansion of suburbia afforded by cars, so there were no easements for trains, although plenty were set aside for freeways/highways, of which those new lines were built inside of.

Also, going on about people in oil companies agitating against this movement, coal companies are just as bad: the fallacy of clean coal is their last gasp of trying to maintain a heavily polluting industry, for solar, wind and tidal energy just doesn’t have the scope to make as much money as digging stuff up and transporting it does, can only stuff very few dicks in the till there. That’s the real reason why they advocate nuclear as alternative: it isn’t cheap to generate electricity nor is it green (similar embedded energy to aluminium in production, refining and transport), but a motza can be made! And while they think coal is viable, we should be really be weaning ourselves of this filthy fuel. Two words: peak oil. Once oil supplies go into decline (they’ll be too dangerous/energy intensive to recover, so unviable; just see the probs BP are encountering with the deep and remote well going balls-up), the added demand for coal will soar, as gas and oil can be synthesised from it, albeit in energy-intensive processes, thus adding further burden, creating peak coal (gas will have reached peak somewhere in between, as gas can also be made into synthetic liquid form and huge amounts are used now to refine tar sands in Canada into oil). And that’s not factoring in global warming either.

No wonder the mining and energy industries are on the defensive: they are in fear of their very existence, having to junk their costly infrastructure for something that has relatively little ongoing cost in the form of renewables, thus unable to skim the cream off that. And that’s why we need to have an equitable tax upon the profits made now. If only the Federal Government would explain these things patiently but authoritatively, reminding people that mineral wealth—even in a country as vast and well-endowed as ours—is not a situation that’ll last forever, either via depletion or economic circumstance. If we leave it to these companies to dictate the terms of engagement, we’ll end up, as JH rightly cited, like Nauru, with just a few people having reaped the rewards and buggered be everyone else.

13 06 2010
big_baggies

The house you own sits upon crown land, by your logic I can move in and move you out , especially if it better than a usual house.Share and share alike.

I agree and people who own vast properties and large homes sit upon crown land.I think what we also need is to allow those with not such nice homes or renters to barge in and share the wealth because the home owners land belongs to ALL of us.

14 06 2010
.

You have NO idea what you are on about.Often there is no “massive” profits.Mining actually involves huge losses and risks and there is so much more to mining that “”the big boys”.

Your post is brimming with fiction and arrogance.Your use of the term “mediocracy” just shows you probably hold half your opinions so you can smirk and do an enui stance, hoping it makes you look intallekchool.
Your post is actually dripping with classist snobbery and many of your conclusions are based on this.The people you call “like the charlatans and middle-class welfare cheats, at their core” would have more useful skills and work harder and longer in a day than Im sure many of you do.
The people I’ve met who have the most venom against mine workers are usually pallid little insispid weeds who have HUGE classism issues, as dangerous as you say racism is and because of these views it doesnt take much to start talking anger, revenge and violence.JUST LIKE YOU IMPLIED!.

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Difference between revenge and justice, Full Stop.

Quite a difference. Revenge is a dish best served cold, if at all.

11 06 2010
Bogue

The bogan would be more concerned about the future of their 2-week-on/2-week-off swill than the finer points of economics, so of course they would reject a mining tax! Working in a vegetarian restaurant serving hipsters won’t meet the repayments on that HSV ute.

11 06 2010
Michael

“Although the tax will help the country avoid excessive debt in coming years …” Actually Kevin Rudd gave a guarantee to a questioner from an audience in WA on his recent trip that no funds will be used to repay debt.

13 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Maybe not used to directly retire debt, but invested into services and infrastructure, both physical and social, thus not needing to use debt to acquire these things. No problem with that; use the other freed-up revenue for other purposes and to make repayments. I think that’s the modus operandi that that comment is based on.

11 06 2010
Tom

I think this is a pretty decent summation of the mining companies’ positions:

13 06 2010
big_baggies

the mining side relies on treating it’s audience like it has a brain and uses facts and figures.The tax pom pom wavers churcn out the usual leftist crap of ridicule and stupidity like this ad that is treating it’s audience like kids.

14 06 2010
Tom

The mining side lost all credibility when it referred to the tax as a ‘super tax’ and not a ‘super profits tax’. Not a big difference, you may argue, but a carefully constructed manipulation of the truth nonetheless.

14 06 2010
.

for the anti mining side lost the argument when they implied all miners are “big boys” and billionaires.

15 06 2010
Tom

I don’t think the government ever did that, you just implied it yourself. But certainly, the spectre of people like Twiggy Forest and Gina Rinehart crying poor is rather pathetic.

It is also nice the miners don’t mention that companies earning up to 12% profits actually pay less tax under the new scheme, or that most mining companies in their submission to the Henry tax review supported a resource rent tax in lieu of the current royalties scheme, they just don’t like the 40% rate imposed by the scheme on the table.

12 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

Either way:

“Well did you hear, there’s a natural order
Those most deserving will end up with the most
That the cream cannot help but always rise to the top
Well I say, “Shit floats”

If you thought things had changed
Friend, you’d better think again
Bluntly put, in the fewest of words:
Cunts are still running the world

Now the working classes are obsolete
They are surplus to society’s needs
So let ’em all kill each other
And get it made overseas.
That’s the word, don’t you know
From the guys that’s running the show
Let’s be perfectly clear boys and girls,
Cunts are still running the world

Oh feed your children on crayfish and lobster tails,
Find a school near the top of the league
In theory I respect your right to exist
But I will kill you if you move in next to me
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it’s anthropologically unjust
Oh, but the takings are up by a third, oh so
Cunts are still running the world

The free market is perfectly natural
Do you think that I’m some kind of dummy?
It’s the ideal way to order the world
“Fuck the morals, does it make any money?”
And if you don’t like it, then leave
Or use your right to protest on the street.
Yeah use your right, but don’t imagine that it’s heard
Yeah Cunts are still running the world ”

Jarvis Cocker

12 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

bugger.
that will be in moderation ’til monday.

12 06 2010
James Hunter

Chubby,
ther opening lines above reference cream. Reminds me of the old joke about the liberal party being like country style cream. “Thick and full of clots”

12 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

“I’m a cun…cun…cun…Country Member!”

12 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

I read it, me likes it!

12 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Here’s another magnificent future classic to the Greater TISM canon, by ROOT!, entitled “I’m A Country Member”

Hit it, DC:

lease allow me to introduce myself, I’m a man of wealth and taste
Unlike those Rolling Stones, I’m not short, weedy, pasty faced
All kinds of people want to channel me to fuel their little agendas but I don’t really need your sympathy

I’m a country member
Just like old Doug Anthony said,
I’m a country member
He said it one day in parliament,
I’m a country member

Well who flattened your battery? I did.
And who put that wheel on your shopping trolley? I did.
And who keeps millionaires tax free? I do.
And who put the smell in cat wee? Woah Lord, have mercy, its me!

I’m a country member
Just like old Doug Anthony said,
I’m a country member
He said it one day in parliament,
I’m a country member

And who made surf beaches undertow? I did.
And who made old people drive slow? I did.
And who invented the mosquito? I did.
And who’ll see you you’ll never win lotto? I will.
Well I put your ATM out of order.
I put giardia in your drinking water.
I forgot to put the bug in Y2K,
But I did put the turd in Saturday.

I’m a country member
Just like old Doug Anthony said,
I’m a country member
He said it one day in parliament,
I’m a country member

Well I’m a mirage when you’re dying of thirst,
I spell Luna Park in reverse,
I stopped me from finishing this…

13 06 2010
miss dahl

This mining tax deal was so badly thought out and delivered. What they should have done is call it a new tax bracket, period. In this new tax bracket include anyone who makes crazy money profit, like bankers, for example. Targetting the mining companies alone, and in the amateurish way they did it, was bound to cause a backlash.

13 06 2010
Tom

I think you are somewhat missing the point of the tax. Natural resources are obviously non – renewable, unlike banking or most other industries, so it is important that the profits are invested now. One estimate I read claimed Australia only has about another 70 years worth of iron ore, which isn’t a long time. The problem of ‘Dutch Disease’ is well documented with countries with mineral wealth. The Dutch had large natural gas deposits, which they utilised. Obviously these exports meant their currency appreciated, which made other export industries less competitive. Once the gas deposits were depleted, they were left with many industries devastated by the uncompetitive exchange rate, and little infrastructure to show for the mineral wealth. Ultimately the mineral wealth was detrimental to their economy. It is imperative that Australia does not make this mistake, which is what this tax partly addresses.

Miners already pay royalties for mining; the difference is the RSPT is based on the sale price, not the quantities of commodities extracted. This makes sense, as when profits increase, so does the amount of tax paid. And bodies such as the IMF (well known as a bunch of communists) have advocated such a tax, so it is hardly a left – wing plot.

13 06 2010
miss dahl

If you are referring to me, then I don’t think I missed the point of the tax, per se. I merely commented that it was poorly presented and badly explained, which is why most people didn’t understand and it got their hackles up. Presenting the general public with a lot of verbal diarrhea about “taxes” isn’t the way to go, in my opinion. Most people just don’t understand, in the same way that most people don’t understand a lot of the fine print in contracts etc etc, that’s why they pay lawyers to explain it to them.

13 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Unlike Norway, which had created an endowment fund two decades ago from the royalties garnered by their oil wealth. At least they’ve known that one day they’ll no longer be able to rely on the black gold, so that’ll put them in good stead, as over half a trillion dollars Australian has thus far been invested, all for a country of 4.5 million.

That is how the feds need to frame their argument. The mine magnates would have a hard time arguing against this without looking like a complete cadre of utterly self-interested prats.

13 06 2010
James Hunter

Miss Dahl,
8,7,9,9,6
straight to the finals

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

I vote for Miss Dahl.

**Round of Applause**

13 06 2010
big_baggies

amazing, while they impose this tax they are also demanding mining towns take in an influx of refugees.In Leonoras case the locals were not consulted and had no idea until a few days prior.Now the tiny mining town faces up to 300 asylum seekers in the town and are expected to support them and this tax.Cheeky to say the least

13 06 2010
miss dahl

@BB you make it sound like the 300 refugees will just be lolling about or slung around the locals’ necks like some kind of burden. Are you suggesting the government will just dump them there with no thought as to them finding work and housing?

14 06 2010
theantibogan

considering the population has severe social issues with Aboriginal violence, drug abuse & destitution which has led the local Doc to ask for psychologists in the town relentlessly to no avail and that many said Aboriginals live in squalor then yes they are a burden.There will be no additional Doctor despite the Doctor struggling to keep up with demand as it is.The asylum seekrs wil have their own psychologists, bar fridges filled with soft drinks & chocolates and a roof over their head, wanting for nothing.They have not been processed so who knows WHO they actually are and there is scant security at the facilities from footage IVe seen.For a town with such a small population to have no consultation or warning that an extra 300 would be coming over the next months is bad practise and exploiting people.It is bloody rude that after years of begging for additional nurses and a psychologist these people will have it laid on all for them in the midst of those around them”hosting” them but still going without.On top of that SriLank and and Iranians DO NOT need to be here at all, they can be sent home.Coming from a shitty country is not reason anough to accept asylum seekers.There is NO spare 300 houses knocking about Leonora ! Are you sniffing vapours or something ??
Im sure if you got a weeks warning that 300 asylum seekers who you know nothing about would be moving in next to you next week you would surely have SOME questions??..

14 06 2010
miss dahl

I only asked a question. Clearly, your own angst precludes you from recognising that, clear as it may seem to others. BTW, don’t take it out on me, if you have something important to say, say it to the government: they’re organising the refugees, not me!

14 06 2010
.

You defended the government stance and mouthed off at me and now you are cowering like an insipid weed.

bwa haw haw

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Period,
and what are you ,but a Noxious Weed.
He he , snigger, burp . look of profound peace floods across my face.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

excuse yourself Mr Hunter… 😉

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Done

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

Good Man. Good manners cost nothing. 😉

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

And the yet pay handsomely.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

Indeed Turnips.

Not hard to be polite, especially in debate. Name calling reduces one to that of the bogan, and that would be sad.

13 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

These folk—almost always persecuted dissidents in their own country—would do something, anything, grateful to be of some use in safe country. They’d do all the dirty jobs—that are well beneath us “Aussies”—gladly, even if they had relatively limited freedoms for a short period, while confirming their bona fides (which are almost always valid). Even those privations would be tolerated if they knew that they would be able to participate in society in the near and defined future; it’d still be better than back home if that were the case.

But instead we chuck these people (let us not forget that they too are human!) into some remote camp, for indefinite periods, with SFA to do. No wonder they go batsh¡t crazy. I mean, it doesn’t even make sense using a purely economic argument. Costs a truckload of cash to incarcerate people seeking asylum. Doesn’t deter people taking a risk, gambling all they have to get on board a leaky boat, not even necessarily bound for Fortress Australia…they just want to escape the hellholes they hail from to anywhere where they can live without those levels of fear, i.e the push factors. Like TWAT (The War Against Terror). That has been a cause for people to flee and seek sanctuary elsewhere. As for Australia, we barely register a blip on the world scale for refugees. In fact, it’s a burden mostly carried by semi-developed nations, like India, South Africa and Brazil.

All demonising asylum seekers does is just placate some of us nice, white Aussies by confirming their ill-founded xenophobia and generating that warm feeling one experiences when hardening their hearts, by all that macho posturing.

Border security? Bored of fuggin’ security, more like.

14 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

beautiful.
all I would add is
“don’t cast your pearls before swine.”

I did have the misfortune to catch Border Security last night.
Incredibly, they were actually harrassing a white person! He was still “coloured”, though.

14 06 2010
.

So in other words use them as slave labour ?? Give over all the badly paid, crappy jobs that most Australians are actually too educated to do, or wont do because the wage is so bad it wouldnt even pay rent or a mortgage ? This is always the logic used to exploit the less fortunate (slavery) give them the pittance jobs.This is where Europe stuffed up and why they have riots here and there because foreigners come to expect more.
They should never have the expectation they will be placed in a glistening new home anyway ? Do they expect to NOT be placed in a detention camp ? I can guarantee Australian ones are a damn sight better than any at their end of the world.They by pass many other opportunities to “escape” to get here, they want the glittering prize.

As far as the size of our population goes, person for person we punch well above our weight for intake of refugees & foreigners.

14 06 2010
Mick

Slave labour? No.

I work in a town that used to have a detention centre. Once some of the detainees were found to be genuine refugees they stayed on in the area. Yes, it was the lower paid jobs they did and do…the cleaners, coffee makers, shop staff, etc…but nobody held a gun to their heads to do these jobs. They are proud, independent people who want to look after their own needs and wants.

Another point is a lot of these people have qualifications that aren’t recognised here. They have to do these jobs until they can be trained or assessed to requirements. As a short term fill these lower paid jobs are snapped up but only until something better comes along. As we all do.

Oh, Australia only ranks at No.42 in the world when it comes to accepting refigees on a per capita base. Hardly punching above our weight.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

Yeah Mick, most of these people just want some peace to earn a living and live a fair and reasonable life.

. have you seen where and what they come from?

14 06 2010
.

clever tactic

but I said refugees AND foreigners…and yes we do.

14 06 2010
James Hunter

do? or have?

14 06 2010
Mick

Tactic? No, just thought the original post about Leonora was about refugees so I thought I would keep the same line.

Immigration as a whole? Yes, I think we’re in the top 5 for intake per capita. I don’t have a problem with that at all.

14 06 2010
.

Mick, doesnt matter what you think.Most Australians are against it and if the Government persists in going against the majority then it creates resentment.Resentment leads to racism.

We are 22 mill people, we bring in hundreds of thousands of people a year. What point do we stop? We know we do not have the infrastructure, nor the water and our cities are badly setup for massive populations.Australia is also mostly desert .
Then , of course as you know, at some point there will be people wanting to have our laws changed to adapt to their beliefs, maybe ask our women to cover up a bit, allow FMG(which the rumblings of are beginning) and maybe a little more corporal punishment Islamic style ?
These are very possible outcomes because as 22mill we can be overwhlemed very easily.

Dont expect no fight though.In the future there will be events that make Cronulla look kindygarten.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Dot.

Can you cite these ‘rumblings’? FGM is barbaric and serves no medical purpose. Please point me to this information so I can read into it.

14 06 2010
.

As expected you had your head up your own arse getting high on the smell of your own vapours.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/28/2911991.htm

cuts, nicks, slices…..noone should be cut at “down there”for any reason and to even consider this is simply a step in the wrong direction.Im sure for you though :just a cut” is just fiiiiine.What else would you be willing to compromise on ?

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Dot.

WTF?

I asked you, politely, I might add, to cite your reference so I could read up on it.

No medically unnecessary ‘cut’ should be made on ANYONE no matter their sex.

Fuck your an idiot.

15 06 2010
.

oh stop being precious pinky..you are always a rude bitch, dont try and come over all shocked and innocent now…

15 06 2010
.

BTW Pinky…for someone who goes on about their education and how brilliant they think they are you constanly write “you’re” as “your”.I’ve seen it a few times now and pulled you up on it.

Stop trying to deal with the medical side of it and confront the culrutal side of it and impacts of their desires on our culture.

15 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

Dot

When I start taking the advice from the likes of you, I’ll take myself off to the psyche ward.

You Madam have no idea about what I do and do not know.

I don’t go around claiming I’m so bright, because I’m not. But standing next to you I am fucking brilliant.

I’m in the medical field you fuck wit, I happen to be very passionate about Health Care. I also happen to be rather knowledgeable on the subject. HENCE my comments sometimes are medical specific.

At least I am actually knowledgeable on SOMETHING rather than nothing, which you seem to have mastered.

You are a fool.

15 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinkster,
“Period” is absolutely brilliant at being stupid. Like every one she is realy good at something and should be commended for the effort and perseverance.
As you and I know it is very defficult even trying to be stupid but nonetheless Period has succeeded where greater intellects have failed.
I say more feet to her mouth

14 06 2010
Mick

You may think a majority is against immigration but I don’t agree. This country is made of immigrants or their descendents. People aren’t against themselves. I think the point you’re trying to make is that some don’t like the origin of the immigrants.

The racism isn’t caused by resentment. It’s already inherent in the bogan. it’s just fueled by dog-whistling media and politicians.

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

It’s a bit rich to comment about how us wets would allegedly turn a blind eye to FGM, as it is some “traditional ethnic practice, thus sacrosanct”, while many amongst they who criticise those who practice this heinous mutilation, are quite fine about the—and often more likely to—compromise the genital integrity of young boys in male circumcision…still about 10-12 percent in Australia have it done in this day and age, a hangover from the moralists of the Victorian Era in the Anglophone countries.

When are those people going to practice equality of the sexes there? Both procedures should be consigned to the dustbin of history, in my humble opinion…if someone is so disgusted by their foreskin or labia majora, then by all means remove it, but only as an adult for yourself.

14 06 2010
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Did I not emphasise “anyone” I dont support male genital muilation either.You will find a great many of that 10% that still have it doneare having it done for religious reasons.
I dont come across too many people who support MGM these days hence the reason it has fallen from 85% of all boys getting it done to 8%% not getting it done, that is a huge turn around.
There is also a huge gap between why boys and girls have it done.Boys had it done because they had ideas about health, cleanliness and disease.Girls are mutilated specifically so they never enjoy sex.VAST difference in logic and motives between the two .
Yes, I agree with the adult part.The days of routine removal are hopefully gone for good.

14 06 2010
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that is 85% are now NOT getting it done

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

I’m glad that we both agree there. However male circumcision was introduced to the English-speaking parts during the late Victorian Era, as a means to prevent young men committing such libidinous acts as masturbation, then conveniently hiding behind the justification of health and cleanliness. It was fervently promoted by the likes of the well-known prude, John Harvey Kellogg. Read about his views and you’ll see that getting cut and eating Granola were the cure to moral disease brought about by onanism.

14 06 2010
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You do realise Jews & muslims routinely do this, hardly just “anglophone countries”

good try

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Umm, a premature ejaculation there, excuse the lame pun on my part. Both religions perform this partly for reasons of maintaining morality, virtue and curbing licentious behaviours. But that hasn’t stopped them either, just like the Anglosphere…what a bit of spit, Vaseline or lube won’t fix!

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Well spoken Mick. And like you says, never once did slave labour be mentioned. And [period, full stop, etc., what ever it is you are by name], when I talk of those jobs, as Mick’s elaborated, they are usually the ones that hold these and other jobs, such as working in abattoirs and market gardens. And if I may clarify, lest you think me some philistine agent of Workchoices, these positions to be payed exactly the same as the rest of us, preferably with access to the various protections some of us take for granted, such as EBAs, superannuation and professional representation (i.e. unions and guilds). However, these are the jobs that the NaBs vacated, as they’ve now flocked to the moines to drive trucks or twirl lollipop signs at far better money than they got in those jobs they used to do, often under an adverse individual contract.

In fact, let me be as bold to say that if I was in a position of manager of personnel on a mine, I’d rather hire the recently arrived-and-processed refugee/asylum seeker than a modern-day CUB: I believe that the migrant would, out of gratitude for being in sanctuary from their previous persecution, do their utmost to prove how worthy they are, as they wouldn’t have that sense of entitlement that some who are white (or at least 3rd generation Australian of migrant stock) seem to display. And most would do all they can to learn how to be a good Aussie, in trying to overcome social and language barriers…would be made a lot easier if people weren’t so damned hostile and actually gave them a chance!

Finally, if you think this is some idealistic fantasy, well it’s the truth in my own lived experience in my industry (community services). Hardly anyone in majority society thinks that they should have to wipe someone’s arse as a part of making a living. But those from various less-developed nations I’ve worked with are mostly keen to please and carry out their work with a degree of care and compassion that is over-and-above what is required or expected. And it sure beats instead kissing someone’s arse.

14 06 2010
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Yes, it is an idealistic fantasy.

You cannot have people “learning the language ” on the job at a mine site!You need people with a firm grasp on English.There was a case, well a few but one Im familiar with is where a new immigrant Chinese was given a go on a drill rig, another worker got himself stuck, he needed the Chinese guy to push the emergency stall button but he didnt understand what was being asked and didnt do it.The man died.
I know of more than a few times where Thai’s & chinese were used and had to be given over because they never understood old maps and results in Australian “lingo” whereas obviously an Australian can. It is very hard and impractical to work “in the field” with people who dont understand you so well and it isnt an English classroom, noone is being paid to teach them English on the job!

It is just classist arrogance to dismiss people willing to work on mines as “CUBs” like as if they dont work hard or face serious risk in their work.Naturally those on mines will have a rough edge, they are in deserts and it is hard.Amazing how you praise foreingers for their “hard work”but call white Australians who work extremely hard every bastard name under the sun….

14 06 2010
Mick

I’ll agree with language barriers. I struggle at times now but I have also struggled at places I worked at before the mines. The one difference is because mining work can be dangerous we have the option of stopping work if we feel whoever we are working with could pose a safety risk for any reason. Including communication.

The one thing that does do my head in is the sense of self-importance the bogan we love to bag has. They really do think they are the hardest working person ever to walk the planet. They aren’t. The area I’m in is the easiest job I’ve had in 27 years of employment. Yet I’m always hearing moaning about the workload. In my opinion they’re either soft or lazy. And the money? We get paid stupid amounts for doing jackshit. And these clowns whinge about needing more. ARRRGGGHHHH.

I can fully relate to BO’T when he rants about the ‘sense of self-entitlement’. I know he’s talking about the high-rollers but the cancer spreads through the whole industry.

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

There’s more to it than class. If you read carefully amongst some of our more reasonable contributors (there are many), I believe you will find that what we have a rib about is not so much the activities or artefacts (physical or social) that most here at TBL have an issue with, but about how a subset in some sections of mainstream culture comport themselves in manner that is wilfully ignorant, unsustainable, spiteful and malevolent. And this not just the New Bogans who I take umbrage with: there are yuppies, spivs and those in ivory towers, neither of the latter demographics did I hail from. I should’ve become a CUB myself, as that was my upbringing (as mentioned in a prior post). Somehow, I saw the light and although I’ve got many, many flaws, wilful ignorance is not one of them, ergo why I find that clique particularly egregious. Added to that in that I live in a part of the country that where this attitude is the norm rather than the exception, it’s little wonder why I get passionate about it. But even in the height of my arguments, I prefer to share light rather than heat.

And as for linguistic barriers, other non-Anglophones who have come to Australia over many, many years. have managed to get by. With better access these days to English available, the lag between not knowing a word to having basic mastery has shortened somewhat. If those were on offshore processing detention were offered basic English skills instead of twiddling their thumbs in sheer boredom, you’d have people even more ready for work. But I guess it’s their turn now…how we forgot how we treated the “gooks” and the “wogs” (part of my heritage), and even the “micks” when they were fresh off the boat. And that is what saddens me, when too many of the mainstream, who ought really know better, continue to perpetuate the perpetration of demonisation for yet another generation, despite all the knowledge and enlightenment (aren’t we whiteys supposedly more enlightened after all, white man’s burden and all that bollocks?) that has been gained over many years.

That’s the basis of my and, I’m sure many of us here too, our critique. That Ugly Australia, the immature braggadocio laced with insecurity, that brings out the worst in who we are. That’s what I, for one, don’t like at all.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Turnips

I second that.

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Peter,
You realy do need a head job.
I know a loverly place where they have lots of medications and basket weaving for the basket cases. You would be in your element , with lots of people ignoring you ,just life real life. Food is pleantiful and regular, if not exciting. The Electro Convulsive Therapy is a real Buzz,particularly at the voltages you would need.
Give it a go why don’t you, some people even get out after a while, well ……after a very long while.

14 06 2010
Bag O'Turnips

Sure I might reply to some of the critique amongst the antis amongst us here, although others wouldn’t deign to it…I suppose that I have the patience that others (usually rightly) wouldn’t seemingly waste on trying to clarify and reasonably argue our points, and without taking personal potshots.

That is what separates those who have something valid to say (even if it is in conflict with the TBL party line) from those who just antagonise and resort to calling those who they disagree with with rude names. No need for that. Most of here deconstruct the behaviours and attitudes, to which the bogan’s favoured activities hang on and make identifiable with.

14 06 2010
pb

on foreign aid, peter, australia gives approximately 0.35% of gdp, which is half of what we agreed to back in the 1970s. much of it is boomerang aid, as in it goes to paying australian technicians and experts working on those countries rather than directly into the country itself. so we’re pretty poor on that regard.

13 06 2010
big_baggies

BTW “twiggy” is not the brass tacks of the debate but for some reason that is the angle the pro taxers are using.

14 06 2010
Mick

When Clive, Twiggy and Gina popped up in front of the media they made themselves spokesman.

They can’t cast aspertions on the the truthiness of the government without themselves coming under scrutiny.

13 06 2010
julie

“vague and pseudo-scientific infographics”

🙂

Aaah….the masses’s ill-informed interpretation of statistical data. Gleefully utilised by political campaigns, advertisers and media in general. Pretty graphs and impressive sounding percentages as presented by popular media play a crucial role in the bogues opinion-forming process.

And these people vote.
(Was that harsh? In a snappy mood today).

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

Just about right I’d say Julie. I see nothing but the truth. 😉

13 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

Off topic,

do we get a post tomorrow TBL or are you taking the long weekend off?

Not sure! I’ve spent the last week and a half doing TBL field research in the Northern Territory, and am soon to board a flight back to our southern enclave. Michael Jayfox

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

I wouldn’t be posting. Better to have good copy than rushed copy. You know what these kids are like, bloody spelling Nazi’s.

As a soon to be mental health practitioner I would prescribe a lovely 2005 Cab Sav Coonawarra to sooth the travelling soul. 😉

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinky,
How are things in the land of Pinkelstein?
Just a thought but if you are soon to be a professional mental health practitoner maybe you could help with my advice to Peter?
He seems up set at my sugestions re a period of incarceration.
Realy I dont believe that even with a mix of antidepressants, antipsychotics and counseling that he will make progress while the daily grind distracts him.
I think that a few months in a ward full of Napoleons, Lloyd Georges and Winston Churchill and the regular Jeasus Christ, God and so on may engage him fully and allow his true self to find fufilment.
What say you?

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

Like I said Peter is a Femme-bot from McDonalds. I don’t help people who don’t want it. Plus that means I would have to talk to him. Not enough money on the table to do that!

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinky,
Right on and I must apologise for missing the obvious flaw…that you would have to speak to him. !

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

indeed. The amount of de-brief required. Hence my discovery that he is in fact a femme-bot. PHEW

😉

14 06 2010
Pandabater

Am I the only one who has noticed that ‘big_baggies’, ‘theantibogan’ & ‘.’ all have the same emoticon? I agree with me & so do I. And me.

14 06 2010
Mick

Different personalities perhaps?

I was treated rather well compared to others. There seemed to be quite a bit of anger at times.

14 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ Panda

I didn’t notice that. I was too busy being annoyed.

Thank you for pointing that out.

@ Mick
Struggling to have one decent personality as far as I can see.
No wonder theantibogan confused me sometimes…hmmm Maybe I shouldn’t blame him/her/Femme-bot and have a look closer too home. 😀

14 06 2010
Pandabater

On a lighter note, is anyone running a book on “How many f&*%ing trumpet players are going to be murdered in South Africa in the next month?” I am 10,000 km away & already sick of them.

I reckon 17 for murder, 39 for rectal insertion.

14 06 2010
James Hunter

Well Pandabater,
If the end of the world comes it wont have to be postponed for want of trumpet players !!

14 06 2010
pb

did anyone catch nein news (well sydney’s bulletin at least) tonight? they had a story here reporting from some dust ridden queensland town that is a potential mining site. the story basically went ‘xstrata has put on hold a very lucrative mine all our jobs are gone waaaaahh! waaaaahhh! we’re rooooned! evil baddy baddy guvmint is killing us! nooooo!!!!! (oh, by the way, xstrata is still buying more land and expanding its holdings around the town even while they say they aren’t going to mine)’
of course the most significant thing – the fact that xstrata is continuing to buy more leases – is barely mentioned and only as one line at the end of the story, despite the fact it pretty much shows their whole story is a lie. yet i’m guessnig most people who saw that didn’t even notice that final line, nor realise its implications.

15 06 2010
Mick

Yes, I noticed a few stories about Xstrata. The story about them shelving projects was all over the front pages with your obligatory bogan in fluros holding a shovel and the quote “We’ll all be rooned”

The story about Xstrata still buying leases and giving out services contracts was buried back in the business pages…a place the bogan never goes.

15 06 2010
Mick

There is also the story given a run by Twiggy that the Chinese are reviewing their investment in Australia because of a resources tax.

The Chinese response? Who is this man and what is he talking about?

The Chinese like the idea so much that they’re introducing their own resources tax.

15 06 2010
miss dahl

I reckon the Chinese should stop exporting all the useless, crappy junk to the rest of the world and focus on making quality products for their own people, in their own country. There is so much poverty and corruption in China, people don’t even think about it, because they are blinded because of the focus on China’s global aspirations. I think we all should pause and think about it – lust for global domination and top dollar is not the answer to anything good and long-lasting, it just means a very few plutocrats will become obscenely rich at the expense of the regular people. Just look at the USA, 1% have 99% of the money there – a fact that has been clearly demonstrated since their sojourn into financial depression, yet still their bone-headed constituents back the GOP in numbers bigger than they should be. Those people are so dumb – even I could walk in, don a southern accent and talk gobbledegook to them and they’ll lap it all up – unbelievable! But, I digress, China, for all their posturing and anti-US bullshit – are exactly the same.

15 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

@ PB

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Indeed ‘Maxxxteme hysteria’

15 06 2010
James Hunter

Pinkster,
Steady on, go take you medications,s,s,s,s for the night.

If I only lived closer I could come round and we could have a pill swap party?

16 06 2010
P!nky Has A Bra!n

WOO HOO I’m not on a lot of regular meds, but have plenty of PRN scripts…WOOT

16 06 2010
James Hunter

What pray tell are PRN scripts ?

15 06 2010
miss dahl

Sounds like mining is the go! Even today, the Pentagon got hot & bothered about the new mining possibilities found by US geos in Afghanistan – gold, lithium, copper etc all the good stuff needed to make our mobile phones etc. A new reason to come and stay in beautiful downtown Kabul, dontcha think?. I mean, all these refugees leaving Afgh to come here – they must have rocks in their heads – when they could be reaping the benefits of all that mining profit in their home country!

16 06 2010
Rick

Beautiful comment I say regarding this issue. Apologies for not being able to name the originator. “Never do the poor fight so hard as when they try to protect the wealth of the rich!”

16 06 2010
chubbybloodfart

I called this before,
but it’s becoming clearer.
Juloppies (sic) is some housebound monstrosity, accurately described by her original moniker. Baggies is the feeder she lives with, and period is the national front biker he buys his meth from.
they can only afford one computer between them.
collective.
a noble literary tradition.

14 07 2010
Phil

And dear “Twiggy” while crying that the world would not invest in any of his new projects if the tax was introduced was reported as having doubled his persoanl wealth in the preceding 12 months from 2 to 4 billion, and the miners, all of whom cried “FOUL” formed a loose comglomerate and put in a very early bid for Queensland’s coal lines at over 5.5 billion – yeah, they are hurting alright. The other funny thing is that all of the miners end up paying at the “company store” as in they are creamed for rent at the worksite or pay extremely over inflated prices for houses (whcih will be worth nothing after the boom), in the forlorn hope that they can on-sell at even more inflated prices to the next wagve of hopefuls. Anyone who saw the 4 Corners episode (late 2009 or earlier this year), would understand that over 95% of the hopefuls that go into mining towns either alone or with their families in tow, leave with nothing more (and sometimes less) than they arrived with. The minerals belong to Australians (including the indigenous) and all Australians shoule share in the benefit of the boom in China.

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